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Post by firemac on Aug 28, 2020 11:31:37 GMT
On the back of what you mentioned looked at Toyota's website myself this morning. Lots of great deals on the current (Y20) Yaris so off to Toyota in Glasgow for a nosy tomorrow. Going to try the 1.5 petrol. The 1.33 is a bit frustrating at times. They'll do you a pre-reg, so about £4k off list for 0% apr over 24months. Not bad cos most manufacturers save the 0% deals for new stuff. They do have loads in stock which is probably why. I like the Yaris because I find it easy to get in and out of. Particularly after a hard training session when back and legs can be really quite tired and stiff. Never thought I'd still have mine now, let alone be looking at another!! They are good cars. No driving machine, but that's not what they're trying to be to be honest. Ours had the Toyota full body kit on it and it looked brilliant. Agree that it ain't the ultimate driving machine but it was nevertheless a hoot to drive. As a city car it was fantastic: it would go through the smallest of gaps, had a good turn of acceleration, tight(ish) turning circle and you could park it almost anywhere. We owned ours when we lived in Paris and it made driving around the city fun. :yes: :TU: |
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Post by shcm on Apr 24, 2021 14:03:58 GMT
The Yaris Cross could tick a fair few boxes. Looking forward to that. What about a Fiesta. And there's the Fiesta Active if you want a higher seating position for better access/egress. [obr] Thanks. I agree the Yaris Cross could be just the car for us. I am going to have to decide whether to stick with old school technology of largish petrol engine and torque converter or go for the latest trend of a small engine and CVT. I do like the look and reports of the handling of the Fiesta but not sure about changing back from a Japanese car. There is a lot of choice but not sure what I want and not sure when to change! I think I need to get more knowledgeable about the cars available. It is also more complicated because it needs to be for me and my wife, and the occasional school run with granddaughters. Press release:
"Pre sales"(?) from May 4th.
Test drives in August.
First deliveries in UK maybe September.
Stuff also on web from other markets, where it's already been launched.
Although, I'm increasingly inclined to consider a fully electric drivetrain, rather than a "mild" hybrid.
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Apr 24, 2021 16:09:03 GMT
Post by charliefarlie on Apr 24, 2021 16:09:03 GMT
[obr] Thanks. I agree the Yaris Cross could be just the car for us. I am going to have to decide whether to stick with old school technology of largish petrol engine and torque converter or go for the latest trend of a small engine and CVT. I do like the look and reports of the handling of the Fiesta but not sure about changing back from a Japanese car. There is a lot of choice but not sure what I want and not sure when to change! I think I need to get more knowledgeable about the cars available. It is also more complicated because it needs to be for me and my wife, and the occasional school run with granddaughters. Press release:
"Pre sales"(?) from May 4th.
Test drives in August.
First deliveries in UK maybe September.
Stuff also on web from other markets, where it's already been launched.
Although, I'm increasingly inclined to consider a fully electric drivetrain, rather than a "mild" hybrid.
Very similar to the RAV4 perhaps to similar...... By the time AWD is added and a few toys it’s up to 30K.... |
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Post by shcm on Apr 24, 2021 19:06:28 GMT
Yeah, not cheap.
Maybe OK if you really want a small(er) 4x4.
In danger of going the same way as the Urban Cruiser (which was/is essentially a 4WD Mk2 Yaris).
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Apr 24, 2021 20:48:17 GMT
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Post by Mb2t on Apr 24, 2021 20:48:17 GMT
Would say it is direct competition to Nissan Juke? Just had a look, the Juke starts at 18k ish, so yes, a bit on the expensive side. I would assume prices of the Rav will go up accordingly. .. where is the CHR comes? Squeezed out?
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Post by philip42h on Apr 25, 2021 8:19:18 GMT
I really don't understand the marketing of cars - nor the buying criteria for that matter. We seem to have rather too many model options to choose from (particularly from Toyota) but 'none' the delivers exactly what we each, individually, are looking for ... The RAV4 - in 4.5 guise - has got rather large and rather expensive. It's no longer a small, fun, recreational activity vehicle. So there's ample space for at least one, if not two smaller siblings ... I've always seen the C-HR as Toyota's response to the rather successful Nissan Juke - both 'funky', 'sport' styled, coupe SUVs. Neither offer AWD - which is important to some, including me. It seems that the SUV moniker implies a style rather than any function capability. Nissan have gone for the cheaper, smaller, turbo charged engine option; Toyota have gone for the more expensive, Toyota hybrid engine option ... I know which I would prefer. The obvious choice for a smaller sized SUV would be the forthcoming Corolla Cross - which, let's face it, is exactly what the original RAV4 was: a Corolla with raised ride height and four wheel drive! But, so far, it would appear that the Corolla Cross, while looking exactly like a scaled down RAV4, will be FWD only - the journalists report no plans for a AWD-i version. Shame! Which brings us back on topic and to the Yaris and the Yaris Cross. If I wanted a FWD Yaris, I'd go for the Yaris rather than the Yaris Cross - the Yaris is better looking, cheaper and perfectly accessible as a small car. I don't think I'd want or need the extra ride height. So, for me, the only merit in a Yaris Cross, would be the AWD-i option which is available only in Dynamic or Premiere spec (starting at £28,825). Surely folk would want a small AWD SUV without paying the price for a prestige car would want to go for the Design grade at £24-£25k? Maybe it is designed primarily for other markets and is being brought in by Toyota UK to 'fill a gap' rather than have significant market impact. And, anyway, the styling is rather dull - neither one thing nor the other - which to be honest, unfortunately, fits the car rather well ...  |
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Apr 25, 2021 10:31:05 GMT
Post by charliefarlie on Apr 25, 2021 10:31:05 GMT
What’s happened to the Plug in Hybrid ? Lot of talk about that power train and nothing yet ??
The self charging Hybrids just aren’t delivering the MPG that was promised .. At what point will it change and the current hybrids become old hat ?
If a plug in came out that delivered significant gains running cost wise it might motivate me to change my 7 + year old car. But for now there’s no point.
I run round in the wee VW cos it’s dead cheap to run. Even driven really hard it still returns 55 plus MPG. If a cheap to run SUV came out I may change from 2 to 1 cars.
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Apr 25, 2021 13:31:39 GMT
Post by firemac on Apr 25, 2021 13:31:39 GMT
Would say it is direct competition to Nissan Juke? Just had a look, the Juke starts at 18k ish, so yes, a bit on the expensive side. I would assume prices of the Rav will go up accordingly. .. where is the CHR comes? Squeezed out? I would say the Micra is more Yaris-sized. The comparison price-wise between Nissan and Toyota is valid on the face of it but Nissan's build quality is nowhere near Toyota's. The Juke and Cashcow in particular have had some pretty woeful reports in the motoring press and in various reliability surveys over the years; the tie-up with Renault has dragged them down.
Would I pay a premium for a Toyota? Better believe it! :yes:
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Post by firemac on Apr 25, 2021 13:34:09 GMT
What’s happened to the Plug in Hybrid ? Lot of talk about that power train and nothing yet ?? The self charging Hybrids just aren’t delivering the MPG that was promised .. At what point will it change and the current hybrids become old hat ? If a plug in came out that delivered significant gains running cost wise it might motivate me to change my 7 + year old car. But for now there’s no point. I run round in the wee VW cos it’s dead cheap to run. Even driven really hard it still returns 55 plus MPG. If a cheap to run SUV came out I may change from 2 to 1 cars. Our 4.5 is currently doing nearly 43 mpg just running around town which I think is pretty good given is size, interior space and quite amazing performance. I would expect that longer cross-country journies will see that figure improve.
What needs to be remembered about PHEV's is that they have become a tax dodge for co. car users given their very low emissions figures; most people never use their charging cables and are content with the mpg they get from the "ordinary" Hybrid self-charging facility.
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Apr 25, 2021 15:36:18 GMT
Post by charliefarlie on Apr 25, 2021 15:36:18 GMT
What’s happened to the Plug in Hybrid ? Lot of talk about that power train and nothing yet ?? The self charging Hybrids just aren’t delivering the MPG that was promised .. At what point will it change and the current hybrids become old hat ? If a plug in came out that delivered significant gains running cost wise it might motivate me to change my 7 + year old car. But for now there’s no point. I run round in the wee VW cos it’s dead cheap to run. Even driven really hard it still returns 55 plus MPG. If a cheap to run SUV came out I may change from 2 to 1 cars. Our 4.5 is currently doing nearly 43 mpg just running around town which I think is pretty good given is size, interior space and quite amazing performance. I would expect that longer cross-country journies will see that figure improve.
What needs to be remembered about PHEV's is that they have become a tax dodge for co. car users given their very low emissions figures; most people never use their charging cables and are content with the mpg they get from the "ordinary" Hybrid self-charging facility.
You’ve nailed my point exactly....43 isn’t hardly anymore than my old oil burner. Certainly not enough to justify not only the price but all that technology. Surely the new shape warrants to be called the 5th generation ? It is the latest shape you have ? Where is this plug in that was promised for last year ? Take a look at the Jag Ipace. That is some car and incredible economy. OK it’s al electric which kinda says it all really. Toyota the biggest car manufacturer has fallen way behind. I realise the Jag has a price tag but the RAV4 is getting so expensive but surely Toyota can produce an equivalent much cheaper... I think the next 3 years is key for hybrids or electrics that really cut the mustard. I bet few people will want to buy petrol or diesel cars after that point. |
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Apr 25, 2021 16:24:45 GMT
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Post by jasehutch on Apr 25, 2021 16:24:45 GMT
This was the mpg I achieved last Thursday on a 11 mile round trip on mainly A roads.
Picture to follow..
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Post by jasehutch on Apr 25, 2021 16:34:20 GMT
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Post by jasehutch on Apr 25, 2021 16:37:46 GMT
And this was a seventy mile trip of mainly motorway..  |
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Apr 25, 2021 16:42:36 GMT
Post by philip42h on Apr 25, 2021 16:42:36 GMT
What’s happened to the Plug in Hybrid ? Lot of talk about that power train and nothing yet ?? The self charging Hybrids just aren’t delivering the MPG that was promised .. At what point will it change and the current hybrids become old hat ? If a plug in came out that delivered significant gains running cost wise it might motivate me to change my 7 + year old car. But for now there’s no point. I run round in the wee VW cos it’s dead cheap to run. Even driven really hard it still returns 55 plus MPG. If a cheap to run SUV came out I may change from 2 to 1 cars. Where have you been Charlie? There's a RAV4 plug-in hybrid ready and waiting for you - available from £46,495 to £50,895 plus toys and paint! Faced with a price I really couldn't afford, I went with the self-charging hybrid option. It's a RAV4 (in size and character) that will return around 45 mpg - compared to the 37/38 mpg that I got from the diesel - so it's more economical that it's forebears and delivers pretty much exactly what the WLTP figures promise. At 70 on the motorway it will run at around 47 mpg, at a slower speed on A roads it'll do over 50 mpg, but you do get less in stop/start conditions and on short journeys. I do still hanker for the plug-in - that would make shorter journeys 'free' - but at the economy of the self-charging hybrid I'd have to do over 60,000 miles before I had any chance of breaking even ... You really can't, sensibly, compare the Up GTi and a RAV hybrid - they are just plain different!  |
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Apr 25, 2021 16:44:08 GMT
Post by charliefarlie on Apr 25, 2021 16:44:08 GMT
Very good mate..... I can get similar readings to show on my GTIs dash but only if I drive extremely slowly and my car has no electrical kit. I’ve seen 88 displayed. Driven steady real world MPG is high 60s. I would imagine you can beat that comfortably but you should. I think the hybrids while very good indeed don’t deliver what they’re supposed to do. Frankly if I had the latest generation RAV4 and was only getting 43 like Jim above I’d feel cheated. |
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