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Post by jasehutch on Feb 8, 2019 19:55:04 GMT
Last couple of years , since driving the wife's wee IQ auto , I've secretly hankered after a 4.2 auto . But could I really live with the 30 ish mpg fuel consumption compared to my easily achieved 40 mpg of the diesel..?  |
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Post by firemac on Feb 8, 2019 20:07:56 GMT
Nice challenge but it wouldn't actually prove anything. I know that the diesel has the edge on torque and as I've already said, for high mileage commuting they are fine. They just don't provide any driving enjoyment for me. But bear in mind that I grew up on US V8s and there isn't a diesel made that comes close to those. Jim my old mate I can’t keep up ! We’ve gone way off topic from RAV4s to V8 cars ? Who could dispute that say a Pagani Zonda would hammer the airse holios off any diesel car on the planet ? My points relate to the cars on topic which are Toyota RAV4s... You're right, Charlie, I've gone way off topic. All I'm saying is that I grew up with petrol engines and that makes me a bit biased against diesels. If I was still doing a long commute then diesel would be an option. But as I'm not doing big miles anymore, mpg is a secondary consideration and I don't mind paying more for petrol. Mind you, I still think that modern diesels can be a big long-term risk given the ancillaries they need to be clean. And the RAV's VVTi linked to Toyota's autbox is a lovely drive train. |
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Post by charliefarlie on Feb 8, 2019 20:22:56 GMT
Jim I too love petrol motors. I’ve had V8s from Rover to TVR ( same engine) to Audi RS4... multiple V6s ..... Pretty much all configurations includuding V12s.... Loads of bikes mostly inline 4s with the odd big V twin... I have been your stereotypical petrol head. I’ve been very fortunate in my wee car bike kart and jet ski world.
But in modern SUVs the diesel has to be the engine of choice. That said I completely respect your choice. It would be boring if we all went for or wanted the same thing 👍👍
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Post by filsgreen on Feb 8, 2019 21:28:13 GMT
Thanks for your thoughts,guys. In laymens terms, what plate is a 4.2 automatic, what should I be looking for? Forgot to say that I won't be doing lots of miles because I hate driving. Would I have issues with the diesel participate filter, if indeed it has one?
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Post by firemac on Feb 8, 2019 21:54:18 GMT
Thanks for your thoughts,guys. In laymens terms, what plate is a 4.2 automatic, what should I be looking for? Forgot to say that I won't be doing lots of miles because I hate driving. Would I have issues with the diesel participate filter, if indeed it has one? The last 4.2s were generally 55-reg although there is the odd late rev 06 around. We recently found an 04 petrol auto with 33k miles, FSH, one owner and immaculate inside and out. The 3-drs command quite high prices as folk like them and they have usual Toyota build quality. If you want auto then go for the 4.2.5 face-lift model (identified by round front fogs in lower bumper and remote audio controls on the steering wheel). Earlier cars could suffer with gearbox Ecu problems at 80k+ miles. These Ecus can be reflashed by companies like Ecu testing in Derby at about £300 so it's not a big issue but best avoided at the outset. There are a couple of low mileage 3-dr autos on Auto trader at the moment. |
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Post by davrav on Feb 8, 2019 22:05:09 GMT
Thanks for your thoughts,guys. In laymens terms, what plate is a 4.2 automatic, what should I be looking for? Forgot to say that I won't be doing lots of miles because I hate driving. Would I have issues with the diesel participate filter, if indeed it has one? If you are not going to be doing the miles and only making short journeys, a petrol makes good sense. Too many potential emission system issues as result of a limited usage cycle for a diesel and the purchase premium for a diesel hardly makes sense. Just spend the difference on petrol. |
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Post by firemac on Feb 8, 2019 22:16:58 GMT
Thanks for your thoughts,guys. In laymens terms, what plate is a 4.2 automatic, what should I be looking for? Forgot to say that I won't be doing lots of miles because I hate driving. Would I have issues with the diesel participate filter, if indeed it has one? I am a big fan of the 4.2. We have had 5 of them and they are brilliant cars. In my experience apart from the gearbox ECU issue on the early cars, they are bomb-proof. They are not the easiest cars on petrol but it does depend on how you drive. Average exclusively around town is 25 mpg, longer runs 33+. The petrol and autobox drive train is sublime, the best I have experienced in 40+ years. |
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Post by clarki on Feb 8, 2019 22:19:33 GMT
But in modern SUVs the diesel has to be the engine of choice. That said I completely respect your choice. It would be boring if we all went for or wanted the same thing 👍👍 In a workhorse like a Rav then yes the diesel does seem to be the best choice. But then a Rav is hardly modern. When my misses bought her cx5 she tried petrol and diesel. To her there was no choice, diesel engine all day long. So she agreed too. However, I think petrol is taking over, particularly in the modern stuff. My old man recently changed his diesel macan s diesel for a petrol GTS and its gone from a car I wasn't to fussed about to one i'm always trying to grab the keys for. A friend of ours has an evoque P300 and that's wow too. Ok this is more premium stuff, but it'll filter down. Having said all that I have a diesel (40+mpg) for work and a petrol (??mpg) for fun, seems to be the best compromise for the moment. Now, what about electric, lol!! |
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Post by clarki on Feb 8, 2019 22:29:14 GMT
Thanks for your thoughts,guys. In laymens terms, what plate is a 4.2 automatic, what should I be looking for? Forgot to say that I won't be doing lots of miles because I hate driving. Would I have issues with the diesel participate filter, if indeed it has one? If you are not going to be doing the miles and only making short journeys, a petrol makes good sense. Too many potential emission system issues as result of a limited usage cycle for a diesel and the purchase premium for a diesel hardly makes sense. Just spend the difference on petrol. ^^^This makes sense. Especially when you see how much cheaper petrol is at the pumps these days!! Nothing against the 4.2, I prefer the older ravs, but just bear in mind its an old car now. Particularly if its going to be your only/last car. From that point of view a 4.4 may well be a better shout. |
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Post by davem on Feb 9, 2019 9:00:29 GMT
Incoming 2p worth  Currently on my fourth Rav 4, the previous three were diesel manuals. The current one is a 2.5 petrol hybrid auto, the auto is CVT but not the rubber band drive type. It's a very well engineered planetary gear system. From a standstill when you hit the angry pedal which gets the batteries and engine going at the same time, it goes like sh^t off a stokers shovel. This is the best Rav I have had, go test drive one at your peril as the desirability factor may kick in big time |
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Post by filsgreen on Feb 9, 2019 10:21:48 GMT
Thanks guys. As I've mentioned, my wife has a Yaris hybrid and I miss driving it. I'm not sure I want to go up to the 20k Mark for a hybrid, or should I? After all it will be my last car and it will see me right for the next 15 years or so.
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Post by Paulus17 on Feb 9, 2019 11:01:31 GMT
Thanks guys. As I've mentioned, my wife has a Yaris hybrid and I miss driving it. I'm not sure I want to go up to the 20k Mark for a hybrid, or should I? After all it will be my last car and it will see me right for the next 15 years or so. Mrs P had the Rav Hybrid as a courtesy car for two weeks last summer as her 5 door 2004 Rav was in for a repair, and at first wasn't sure about it but by the end she absolutely loved it, and me as a passenger, as I no longer drive, also thought it was good. In fact she loved it that much that she went and bought a 2014 Yaris Hybrid Excel which she also loves driving mainly due to the auto box and again me as a passenger think it's pretty good, lovely smooth quiet driving. But she did miss the Rav so we decided to buy a cheap 3 door 2002 manual which has had some problems with but is to be expected but again she loves driving it :TU: |
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Post by philip42h on Feb 9, 2019 11:01:52 GMT
Thanks guys. As I've mentioned, my wife has a Yaris hybrid and I miss driving it. I'm not sure I want to go up to the 20k Mark for a hybrid, or should I? After all it will be my last car and it will see me right for the next 15 years or so. Well, it's your budget so you should do with it what you will ...  Folk will be taking delivery of their shiny new RAV 4.5 hybrids over the next few months - probably May / June time for the AWD models. And the "winter premium" on 4x4s will "run out". But we can only speculate as to what that will mean to second hand prices. There's no replacement diesel and the prices of the (excellent) 2.2 D-CAT auto are already depressed so I really don't see these prices dropping much. On the other hand, there may well be a small flood of old model 4.4 hybrids coming onto the market and, just maybe, that may make prices a little more affordable ... ? Out of interest, why a RAV? |
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Post by Paulus17 on Feb 9, 2019 11:02:55 GMT
Incoming 2p worth  Currently on my fourth Rav 4, the previous three were diesel manuals. The current one is a 2.5 petrol hybrid auto, the auto is CVT but not the rubber band drive type. It's a very well engineered planetary gear system. From a standstill when you hit the angry pedal which gets the batteries and engine going at the same time, it goes like sh^t off a stokers shovel. This is the best Rav I have had, go test drive one at your peril as the desirability factor may kick in big time  Just think if It was a 3 door Dave :yes: |
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Post by filsgreen on Feb 9, 2019 12:38:01 GMT
I like the reliability of the Toyota. I want the RAV because of the higher driving position and the AWD feature, Paulus.
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