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Post by philip42h on Feb 7, 2019 17:34:48 GMT
How about Stoke-on-Trent - 60 odd miles from you? These guys ( Fast Lane) appear to have a couple of reasonable examples at about the right price. A 2015 Icon at 37k that's just within budget and a 2014 Invincible at 34k that would need a little haggling (their price on Autotrader are a tad lower). Otherwise, as you say, they seem a little thin on the ground right now ... |
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Post by charliefarlie on Feb 7, 2019 17:35:40 GMT
Hi Charlie, thanks for the welcome and advice. I never went to view the Manual today, the weather was awful. My wife thinks I should wait for an auto to come along, I think I'll take hers and your advice. I'm in Liverpool and Honiton is a bit far to go, Paulus. My current 2013 Invincible is auto. Prior to that I had the previous shape that we call 4.3 but that one was manual transmission. I really liked the T180 manual but the two cars are poles Part. Toyota made the 4.4 to be more car like to drive. Can’t say I noticed to be honest as both are very good. But as a lover of auto boxes I have to say the autos are just so much better. The manual boxes are a wee bit agricultural. You mentioned this may be a final car so to compromise on what you want would be daft. I’m ultra fussy and would never have settled on a manual car no way. My car doesent get a lot of use and had only covered 26K miles. All it’s cost me is oil and tyres and a set of front discs that are not yet worn but we’re an advisory on the MOT. Full set of premium discs and pads were £140. They are on the shelf in the garage for when the weather warms up. Be patient keep loooking. They guys here will give you the heads up if they spot anything. We on here will also look at cars if they in our areas to give you the heads up on whether to travel to look yourself . 👍👍 |
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Post by charliefarlie on Feb 7, 2019 17:43:59 GMT
Another nice one to suit you HERE if a little over budget from the same place as the 3 door. Lot of money for a thirsty petrol .... |
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Post by firemac on Feb 7, 2019 18:35:48 GMT
Hi Charlie, thanks for the welcome and advice. I never went to view the Manual today, the weather was awful. My wife thinks I should wait for an auto to come along, I think I'll take hers and your advice. I'm in Liverpool and Honiton is a bit far to go, Paulus. …..and if you buy the petrol variant, you are invited to a competition every year to see if it can pull the skin off a rice puddin'...…!!!!! DIESEL AUTOMATIC ONLY WAY TAE GANG, KEN....? Our 4.3 D-CAT auto was a nice car but I never really warmed to the 4.3. I've always liked the 4.2 more. Having said that, the 2.0 litre VVTi petrol engine is an absolute gem and it's bullet-proof. |
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Post by charliefarlie on Feb 7, 2019 19:15:29 GMT
…..and if you buy the petrol variant, you are invited to a competition every year to see if it can pull the skin off a rice puddin'...…!!!!! DIESEL AUTOMATIC ONLY WAY TAE GANG, KEN....? Our 4.3 D-CAT auto was a nice car but I never really warmed to the 4.3. I've always liked the 4.2 more. Having said that, the 2.0 litre VVTi petrol engine is an absolute gem and it's bullet-proof. I like the 4.3 shape car more that the 4.4 but the later car is more refined and up to date. Plus the rear space that as you know is valuable to me is quite a bit bigger especially when the seats are down. 4.3 SR in white with style pack is the best Rav in my eyes. never been into the earlier cars at all.,sorry. |
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Post by bigkev on Feb 7, 2019 19:50:35 GMT
Would never question the reliability and build quality of the two litre VVTi, but knowing how it lacks sparkle in the wife's 3 door Rav, it must have fun trying to pull the much larger 4.3 /4.4 bodies. MPG must be real poor intit bargain.......that was ma Yorkshire accent.......
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Post by davidwilson on Feb 8, 2019 6:30:46 GMT
Would never question the reliability and build quality of the two litre VVTi, but knowing how it lacks sparkle in the wife's 3 door Rav, it must have fun trying to pull the much larger 4.3 /4.4 bodies. MPG must be real poor intit bargain.......that was ma Yorkshire accent....... When we had a 4.3 the mpg was about 40 mpg for the diesel and 30 mpg for the petrol. Unfortunately they were both manual. I seem to be unusual but I prefer the petrol. |
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Post by charliefarlie on Feb 8, 2019 9:09:51 GMT
Bieng brutally honest I can’t imagine why anyone would want a limp wristed harsh and thirsty petrol engine over a tourqy diesel. That’s without considering the MPG.....
In the case of a user who does frequent short journeys them maybe a petrol makes sense but then so would a wee runaround car..
My driving of a 2.0 petrol Rav is limited but I found the one I drove was frankly bloody awful.
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Post by firemac on Feb 8, 2019 12:18:44 GMT
Bieng brutally honest I can’t imagine why anyone would want a limp wristed harsh and thirsty petrol engine over a tourqy diesel. That’s without considering the MPG..... In the case of a user who does frequent short journeys them maybe a petrol makes sense but then so would a wee runaround car.. My driving of a 2.0 petrol Rav is limited but I found the one I drove was frankly bloody awful. I've always found the VVTi engine combined with the autobox in the 4.2 to be brilliant. The throttle response is instantaneous and there is no hesitation from the box when you pull away from a standstill. I drove a 4.3 petrol auto (it had a CVT box) and was quite surprised at how good it was but it wasn't as good as the 4.2's TC box. Whether you prefer petrol or diesel really depends on what you're used to and the kind of driving you do. There can be little doubt that diesel comes into its own for high mileage, long distance work. But for driving enjoyment it doesn't come anywhere near a good petrol engine with a decent gearbox, IMHO  . Yes, a diesel has better mpg but that is only part of the cost of running a car; when you add in fuel cost, more stringent servicing and the higher risk of mechanical failure due to the fact that diesel engines were never designed with refinement in mind, hence the amount of clean-up kit they are saddled with, the cost of running one over an average ownership period may not be that advantageous vs a petrol-engined equivalent. Yes, there are a few sporting diesels but in my view, you motor in a diesel but you drive a petrol. |
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Post by charliefarlie on Feb 8, 2019 17:10:13 GMT
Bieng brutally honest I can’t imagine why anyone would want a limp wristed harsh and thirsty petrol engine over a tourqy diesel. That’s without considering the MPG..... In the case of a user who does frequent short journeys them maybe a petrol makes sense but then so would a wee runaround car.. My driving of a 2.0 petrol Rav is limited but I found the one I drove was frankly bloody awful. I've always found the VVTi engine combined with the autobox in the 4.2 to be brilliant. The throttle response is instantaneous and there is no hesitation from the box when you pull away from a standstill. I drove a 4.3 petrol auto (it had a CVT box) and was quite surprised at how good it was but it wasn't as good as the 4.2's TC box. Whether you prefer petrol or diesel really depends on what you're used to and the kind of driving you do. There can be little doubt that diesel comes into its own for high mileage, long distance work. But for driving enjoyment it doesn't come anywhere near a good petrol engine with a decent gearbox, IMHO . Yes, a diesel has better mpg but that is only part of the cost of running a car; when you add in fuel cost, more stringent servicing and the higher risk of mechanical failure due to the fact that diesel engines were never designed with refinement in mind, hence the amount of clean-up kit they are saddled with, the cost of running one over an average ownership period may not be that advantageous vs a petrol-engined equivalent. Yes, there are a few sporting diesels but in my view, you motor in a diesel but you drive a petrol. Sorry Jim I can’t agree. The diesel cars leave the petrol ones for dead. The tourque sees to that. All the power and tourque are right where you want it with no reviving needed . The current diesel is plenty refined to the point it’s only in traffic in built up situations we can hear the diesel tick. In this his type of vehicle I would not even consider a petrol engine. |
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Post by firemac on Feb 8, 2019 17:25:54 GMT
I've had several diesels over the years and they were all good enough but only one stood out and that was a BMW. They have found a knack of making refined, fairly high revving diesels. But compared to their straight six petrol units, even the BMW diesel doesn't get a look in, IMHO.
For me, petrol engines always come out on top.
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Post by charliefarlie on Feb 8, 2019 18:27:15 GMT
I've had several diesels over the years and they were all good enough but only one stood out and that was a BMW. They have found a knack of making refined, fairly high revving diesels. But compared to their straight six petrol units, even the BMW diesel doesn't get a look in, IMHO. For me, petrol engines always come out on top. You should try a Jaguar V6 twin turbo diesel. 275 BHP 600NM or tourque......... Fasterbthat a Focus ST in a straight. Line...... Faster than BMW M3 in the same straight line.......... But we are talking RAV4 here ? Tell you what. Just for a bit of fun. Pick any track you like. Then how about a bet ? I would take on any Standard petrol Rav auto. Both parties throw in 500 quid. MacMillan takes the winnings. |
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Post by firemac on Feb 8, 2019 18:32:12 GMT
I've had several diesels over the years and they were all good enough but only one stood out and that was a BMW. They have found a knack of making refined, fairly high revving diesels. But compared to their straight six petrol units, even the BMW diesel doesn't get a look in, IMHO. For me, petrol engines always come out on top. You should try a Jaguar V6 twin turbo diesel. 275 BHP 600NM or tourque......... Fasterbthat a Focus ST in a straight. Line...... Faster than BMW M3 in the same straight line.......... But we are talking RAV4 here ? Tell you what. Just for a bit of fun. Pick any track you like. Then how about a bet ? I would take on any Standard petrol Rav auto. Both parties throw in 500 quid. MacMillan takes the winnings. Nice challenge but it wouldn't actually prove anything. I know that the diesel has the edge on torque and as I've already said, for high mileage commuting they are fine. They just don't provide any driving enjoyment for me. But bear in mind that I grew up on US V8s and there isn't a diesel made that comes close to those. |
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Post by charliefarlie on Feb 8, 2019 18:44:33 GMT
You should try a Jaguar V6 twin turbo diesel. 275 BHP 600NM or tourque......... Fasterbthat a Focus ST in a straight. Line...... Faster than BMW M3 in the same straight line.......... But we are talking RAV4 here ? Tell you what. Just for a bit of fun. Pick any track you like. Then how about a bet ? I would take on any Standard petrol Rav auto. Both parties throw in 500 quid. MacMillan takes the winnings. Nice challenge but it wouldn't actually prove anything. I know that the diesel has the edge on torque and as I've already said, for high mileage commuting they are fine. They just don't provide any driving enjoyment for me. But bear in mind that I grew up on US V8s and there isn't a diesel made that comes close to those. Jim my old mate I can’t keep up ! We’ve gone way off topic from RAV4s to V8 cars ? Who could dispute that say a Pagani Zonda would hammer the airse holios off any diesel car on the planet ? My points relate to the cars on topic which are Toyota RAV4s... |
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Post by bigkev on Feb 8, 2019 19:38:19 GMT
Mainly agree with Jimbob on the 4.2 AUTOMATIC variant. Apart from being MUCH nippier than the manual box, at 75mph the revs on the Auto were some 400rpm LESS than the manual. Picked one up for a neighbour a few years back in BliddybScumforpe of all places.....what a dump. It was a five door automand was surprisinglybquiet to drive.
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. Yes, a diesel has better mpg but that is only part of the cost of running a car; when you add in fuel cost, more stringent servicing and the higher risk of mechanical failure due to the fact that diesel engines were never designed with refinement in mind, hence the amount of clean-up kit they are saddled with, the cost of running one over an average ownership period may not be that advantageous vs a petrol-engined equivalent.