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Nov 18, 2019 18:01:11 GMT
Post by clarki on Nov 18, 2019 18:01:11 GMT
So, food for thought.
Today I borrowed the evoque. Had to fill it up, £60. That gave it a range of more or less 400 miles (but the car did have 40 miles left in it). So lets say £60 for 400 miles to keep the maths simple. That means £15 for 100 miles. The computer says the car is averaging 35mpg.
To charge the i3 up to do 100 miles...£1.74 (off peak)!! So, 7 quid to do 400.
It'll soon be a no-brainer.
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Nov 18, 2019 20:56:21 GMT
Post by philip42h on Nov 18, 2019 20:56:21 GMT
So, food for thought. Today I borrowed the evoque. Had to fill it up, £60. That gave it a range of more or less 400 miles (but the car did have 40 miles left in it). So lets say £60 for 400 miles to keep the maths simple. That means £15 for 100 miles. The computer says the car is averaging 35mpg. To charge the i3 up to do 100 miles...£1.74 (off peak)!! So, 7 quid to do 400. It'll soon be a no-brainer. It already is, if your daily drive is short enough ... as I understand most EVs can be charged from a standard 13A socket at a rate equivalent to 10 miles range per hour. So, if you have access to such a socket and devote 12 hours a night to recharging you'd have a daily range of around 120 miles. Obviously a dedicated charging point could give that range in rather less time, and a little more range if the battery has sufficient capacity. A Renault Zoe would do this comfortably. On the other hand if you or I wanted to do a spot of continental touring - a few thousand miles over a week or so, my diesel RAV will do the job easily (as will the Evoque). The Zoe (or i3) almost certainly won't - you'd wind-up having to devote far too much time to having it plugged-in (always assuming you could fins a charging point). And I certainly couldn't afford an EV that has that sort of range capability - even if it exists. The question for me is whether the battery powered EV is the right answer for longer range requirements ... or should we be looking to the hydrogen fuel cell instead for this purpose? |
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Nov 18, 2019 23:35:56 GMT
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Post by widge on Nov 18, 2019 23:35:56 GMT
So, food for thought. Today I borrowed the evoque. Had to fill it up, £60. That gave it a range of more or less 400 miles (but the car did have 40 miles left in it). So lets say £60 for 400 miles to keep the maths simple. That means £15 for 100 miles. The computer says the car is averaging 35mpg. To charge the i3 up to do 100 miles...£1.74 (off peak)!! So, 7 quid to do 400. It'll soon be a no-brainer. It already is, if your daily drive is short enough ... as I understand most EVs can be charged from a standard 13A socket at a rate equivalent to 10 miles range per hour. So, if you have access to such a socket and devote 12 hours a night to recharging you'd have a daily range of around 120 miles. Obviously a dedicated charging point could give that range in rather less time, and a little more range if the battery has sufficient capacity. A Renault Zoe would do this comfortably. On the other hand if you or I wanted to do a spot of continental touring - a few thousand miles over a week or so, my diesel RAV will do the job easily (as will the Evoque). The Zoe (or i3) almost certainly won't - you'd wind-up having to devote far too much time to having it plugged-in (always assuming you could fins a charging point). And I certainly couldn't afford an EV that has that sort of range capability - even if it exists. The question for me is whether the battery powered EV is the right answer for longer range requirements ... or should we be looking to the hydrogen fuel cell instead for this purpose? It depends on how much long distance you are going to do in a year, it might still work out a lot cheaper just to hire a car for the odd times you need the range, rather than having a long range capable car all year round. Maybe the rail companys might even start to ferry cars, long distances eg catch the train to South of France then use your car when you get there. Dave |
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Nov 19, 2019 7:45:22 GMT
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Post by shcm on Nov 19, 2019 7:45:22 GMT
I'm hoping they bring back the Austin Maxi too.  (and driving hats).   Can't beat a bit of hydrolastic. (Maybe you can with hydrogas). |
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Nov 19, 2019 9:45:41 GMT
Post by three5 on Nov 19, 2019 9:45:41 GMT
I'm hoping they bring back the Austin Maxi too. (and driving hats). Can't beat a bit of hydrolastic. (Maybe you can with hydrogas). I liked the Maxi and the 1800 ( Land Crab ). They were really practical designs and, for the time very comfy. How about the Maxi body shape redesigned by Toyota so it dosen't rot + a hybrid powertrain? Shouldn't be too hard with the big boot. |
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Jan 16, 2020 11:54:38 GMT
Post by phaeton on Jan 16, 2020 11:54:38 GMT
Quite an interesting real life test, I'll be honest & didn't watch it all, but skipped through it but the last 5 minutes is interesting, they have convinced me that had I got enough money to spend 15x what I normally spend on a car I'd buy an EV, but unfortunately it's never or at least not going to happen for a very long time (Unfortunately)
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Jan 16, 2020 12:55:35 GMT
Post by philip42h on Jan 16, 2020 12:55:35 GMT
Quite an interesting real life test, I'll be honest & didn't watch it all, but skipped through it but the last 5 minutes is interesting, they have convinced me that had I got enough money to spend 15x what I normally spend on a car I'd buy an EV, but unfortunately it's never or at least not going to happen for a very long time (Unfortunately)
Not a totally realistic real life test - who would really run a car until it ran out of juice? But the Tesla, with a realistic range of 250 miles (so around 4 hours driving), that intelligently routes you via Tesla superchargers, would offer pretty much unlimited range (with imposed rest breaks for both car and driver). But as you say, a long range, dual motor, Model 3 at around £50k is a little more than I would pay ... |
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Jan 16, 2020 18:14:04 GMT
Post by phaeton on Jan 16, 2020 18:14:04 GMT
Not a totally realistic real life test - who would really run a car until it ran out of juice?
No not 100% accurate but it again shows how the car manufacturers are still happy to misinform customers, one of the ladies in accounting her husband has an I-Pace company car, he runs his with a limit of 200 miles but likes to charge before then as you would do with any other car.
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Jan 16, 2020 18:44:35 GMT
Post by charliefarlie on Jan 16, 2020 18:44:35 GMT
Show me an electric car with a 200 mile range that will swallow 2.5 Builders bags of garden waste and the car is affordable and I will be at the front of the queue .......
Oh and it must have been built withou polluting the environment as well.......👍👍👍
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Jan 16, 2020 20:46:46 GMT
Post by clarki on Jan 16, 2020 20:46:46 GMT
Show me an electric car with a 200 mile range that will swallow 2.5 Builders bags of garden waste and the car is affordable and I will be at the front of the queue ....... Oh and it must have been built withou polluting the environment as well.......👍👍👍 My mum's new MG ZS EV ticks those boxes. And the ride is so much nicer than the i3. |
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Jan 16, 2020 20:50:58 GMT
Post by charliefarlie on Jan 16, 2020 20:50:58 GMT
Show me an electric car with a 200 mile range that will swallow 2.5 Builders bags of garden waste and the car is affordable and I will be at the front of the queue ....... Oh and it must have been built withou polluting the environment as well.......👍👍👍 My mum's new MG ZS EV ticks those boxes. And the ride is so much nicer than the i3. 163 Max Range. I wouldn’t get my 2.5 builders bags of garden waste in one of those. |
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Jan 16, 2020 21:03:17 GMT
Post by clarki on Jan 16, 2020 21:03:17 GMT
I'd get them in, easy !! Get that in the Yaris!!
Haven't borrowed it yet, will report back on range. Thought it would be more - 163 ain't too bad though, probably 140-150 real world.
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Jan 16, 2020 21:33:11 GMT
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Post by Mb2t on Jan 16, 2020 21:33:11 GMT
I have three things to say about EVs: range, range and most important range!
It might be good for a second car, to run around town, but not for long journeys.
And that without even starting to talk about Charlie's bags or towing a caravan...
My mark: going to the next grade, but not in our school.....
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Post by clarki on Jan 16, 2020 21:46:34 GMT
I'm not sure its range, that's continually improving. Its charge time and cost.
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Jan 17, 2020 12:22:22 GMT
Post by phaeton on Jan 17, 2020 12:22:22 GMT
I'm not sure its range, that's continually improving. Its charge time and cost.
Absolutely totally agree, how often do you do over 200 miles in a day? Me, probably only 5-6 times a year, I'm sure I could make alternative arrangements, often it's to go collect something I've bought, if I was restricted to 200 I'd either not buy it, or find another way to get it to me. The only time it really would affect us is when we go on holiday, we're going to Isle of Wight in 7 weeks, 250 miles each way, we'd just have to allow for a stop. Caravaning or even towing a trailer is whole other issue, but like it or not, we have to change, it really isn't an option.
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