steverav4me
Club Member
RAV4.3 SR D-CAT Auto 4WD 2011 facelift model.
Posts: 76
|
Post by steverav4me on Jun 23, 2019 12:35:33 GMT
Toyota Stafford want £190 for an update. Don't want to pay that much but I don't have much choice unless I want to live with a Satnav system that is - at the moment - eight years out of date. Rip off. Anyone ever negotiated a price reduction (on anything!) from a Toyota dealer?!
|
|
|
Post by firemac on Jun 23, 2019 16:19:06 GMT
Toyota Stafford want £190 for an update. Don't want to pay that much but I don't have much choice unless I want to live with a Satnav system that is - at the moment - eight years out of date. Rip off. Anyone ever negotiated a price reduction (on anything!) from a Toyota dealer?! Just because its out of date doesn't mean it is useless. I use a TomTom that must be 12 years old if it is a day and they stopped doing updates for it long ago. Yes, it does show me travelling across a field when I'm on new roads like the Tabley link from the M6 to the M56 but it still always finds my destination or very, very close to it. I don't feel any compulsion to update it at all but if £190-worth of update is important then you probably won't get any discount from Mr. T. I remember spending something like £150 updating the satnav in the LC150 then selling it a month later. That reinforced my own advice to others about thinking twice! 😩
|
|
|
Post by Hoovie on Jun 23, 2019 17:42:08 GMT
TBH I would not spend anywhere close to that on a Sat Nav update as you could get a brand new SatNav that is superior, albeit not built in, and with free map updates for life for half the price.
Ultimately, Sat Nav is just an assistant to the road signs, and every update is still well out of date even on the day it is released anyway, so really not worth paying more than a few quid in my honest opinion.
Similar to Firemac, there is a road - the A68 from Lauder to the Edinburgh bypass - I use that has not existed on a couple of SatNavs I have had but made no real difference
|
|
|
Post by roger37 on Jun 24, 2019 9:18:53 GMT
Toyota Stafford want £190 for an update. Don't want to pay that much but I don't have much choice unless I want to live with a Satnav system that is - at the moment - eight years out of date. Rip off. Anyone ever negotiated a price reduction (on anything!) from a Toyota dealer?! i got my satnav updated by toyota in n.ireland for £100. was a good update.
|
|
steverav4me
Club Member
RAV4.3 SR D-CAT Auto 4WD 2011 facelift model.
Posts: 76
|
Post by steverav4me on Jun 24, 2019 19:51:50 GMT
TBH I would not spend anywhere close to that on a Sat Nav update as you could get a brand new SatNav that is superior, albeit not built in, and with free map updates for life for half the price. Ultimately, Sat Nav is just an assistant to the road signs, and every update is still well out of date even on the day it is released anyway, so really not worth paying more than a few quid in my honest opinion. Similar to Firemac, there is a road - the A68 from Lauder to the Edinburgh bypass - I use that has not existed on a couple of SatNavs I have had but made no real difference I already own a separate Garmin satnav, and no, I don't want an 'add on' satnav in this car, it's a top of the range model (that I just happened to come across, I wasn't particularly looking for the top spec) and I love the built in satnav, it's something I've always wanted. I'll try to negotiate a reduction from Toyota and if not, the jury is still out if I go ahead.
|
|
|
Post by Hoovie on Jun 24, 2019 21:47:29 GMT
TBH I would not spend anywhere close to that on a Sat Nav update as you could get a brand new SatNav that is superior, albeit not built in, and with free map updates for life for half the price. Ultimately, Sat Nav is just an assistant to the road signs, and every update is still well out of date even on the day it is released anyway, so really not worth paying more than a few quid in my honest opinion. Similar to Firemac, there is a road - the A68 from Lauder to the Edinburgh bypass - I use that has not existed on a couple of SatNavs I have had but made no real difference I already own a separate Garmin satnav, and no, I don't want an 'add on' satnav in this car, it's a top of the range model (that I just happened to come across, I wasn't particularly looking for the top spec) and I love the built in satnav, it's something I've always wanted. I'll try to negotiate a reduction from Toyota and if not, the jury is still out if I go ahead. My point was not that you should buy an add-on unit instead, but how out of step the Toyota prices are for an update (and that goes for most car makers. It is a rip-off and they know that you cannot simply swap units so that is how they get away with it)
|
|
|
Post by bigkev on Jun 26, 2019 9:20:07 GMT
I already own a separate Garmin satnav, and no, I don't want an 'add on' satnav in this car, it's a top of the range model (that I just happened to come across, I wasn't particularly looking for the top spec) and I love the built in satnav, it's something I've always wanted. I'll try to negotiate a reduction from Toyota and if not, the jury is still out if I go ahead. My point was not that you should buy an add-on unit instead, but how out of step the Toyota prices are for an update (and that goes for most car makers. It is a rip-off and they know that you cannot simply swap units so that is how they get away with it) Totally concur with Our Leader there, even to the extent that I would exchange the whole bliddy unit for such as a Kenwood or Pioneer with all modder cons rather than pay Toyota their extortified prices. Yes......would be a bit of cash on top, but you get a better SOUND source into the bargain, which your standard speakers are well capable of dealing with. It should be noted I am usually first to advocate NOT changing these units, but the more we encourage Toyota to hump us......
|
|
steverav4me
Club Member
RAV4.3 SR D-CAT Auto 4WD 2011 facelift model.
Posts: 76
|
Post by steverav4me on Jun 26, 2019 11:08:54 GMT
My point was not that you should buy an add-on unit instead, but how out of step the Toyota prices are for an update (and that goes for most car makers. It is a rip-off and they know that you cannot simply swap units so that is how they get away with it) Totally concur with Our Leader there, even to the extent that I would exchange the whole bliddy unit for such as a Kenwood or Pioneer with all modder cons rather than pay Toyota their extortified prices. Yes......would be a bit of cash on top, but you get a better SOUND source into the bargain, which your standard speakers are well capable of dealing with. It should be noted I am usually first to advocate NOT changing these units, but the more we encourage Toyota to hump us...... Yes I agree with Hoovie's sentiment, now explained. So, can you get 'drop in' replacements for my unit? Any links please? and before I go down that route, how do you update those?! I don't want an 'out of the frying pan into the fire' situation!
|
|
steverav4me
Club Member
RAV4.3 SR D-CAT Auto 4WD 2011 facelift model.
Posts: 76
|
Post by steverav4me on Jun 26, 2019 15:11:26 GMT
Toyota Stafford will not budge from the price of £190. They said it is 1.5 hour job that was running continuously - whatever the significance of the "continuously" bit is.. Anyway, that's still an hourly rate of £127, given that no parts are provided, it's all 'labour'.
I'll live with it as it is thank you very much.
Unless the end destination is not selectable, then otherwise it's not so hard to follow a route anyway, even if roads have been changed, just keep heading in the general direction until the route is picked up again. And you can always check out a route beforehand using AA routes, Google Earth, whatever.
And these guys send you invite after invite to 'open days', that kind of stuff. Do they not realise that the basic reason people don't use main dealers is, quite simply, they are extortionately priced?! Plus, my motor engineer is a 'face to face' mechanic, I know him well and he looks after my cars with care and attention as if they were is own, I can trust him. In main dealers, the mechanics get no feedback as such from customers - at least not face to face - they just operate on a production line basis, one job after another. Soul destroying and likely to lead to apathy and a somewhat couldn't care attitude.
|
|
|
Post by davrav on Jun 26, 2019 17:05:48 GMT
Took the bus from Oxford to London last Saturday and, looking down from the top deck as cars passed, was pleasantly surprised to see several car passengers with road atlases on their laps. Nice to know that some can still read maps and don't rely blindly on Satnavs. Looking back, I used to manage perfectly well with a route card and map book............ Map updates on 'built in' head units are simply a rip off as stated above. I guess, with the spread of systems such as Apple Car Play, the need to update will gradually disappear.
|
|
steverav4me
Club Member
RAV4.3 SR D-CAT Auto 4WD 2011 facelift model.
Posts: 76
|
Post by steverav4me on Jul 1, 2019 9:46:02 GMT
Took the bus from Oxford to London last Saturday and, looking down from the top deck as cars passed, was pleasantly surprised to see several car passengers with road atlases on their laps. Nice to know that some can still read maps and don't rely blindly on Satnavs. Looking back, I used to manage perfectly well with a route card and map book............ Map updates on 'built in' head units are simply a rip off as stated above. I guess, with the spread of systems such as Apple Car Play, the need to update will gradually disappear. I certainly don't "rely blindly on satnavs", but equally I wouldn't want to go back to the days of trying to navigate while looking at a map, or even if the passenger is doing that. It often leads to rows as I'm sure most of us have experienced.. No, I always 'check out' a new journey on AA routes beforehand, plus Google Earth and I'll familiarise myself with the final roads both as maps and as satellite views, sometimes even printing them out. But after that, yes I want and expect the satnav to take me there. The 'research' is my back up plan. One of the most annoying things about satnavs is if for whatever reason you are unable to insert a 'house number' when asked to do so, it doesn't like it! The problem is, a lot of people use house names and other destinations are companies, works etc. But in general, yes I like satnavs and obviously having one that is up to date is beneficial but not crucial.
|
|
|
Post by Hoovie on Jul 2, 2019 19:54:05 GMT
Took the bus from Oxford to London last Saturday and, looking down from the top deck as cars passed, was pleasantly surprised to see several car passengers with road atlases on their laps. Nice to know that some can still read maps and don't rely blindly on Satnavs. Looking back, I used to manage perfectly well with a route card and map book............ Map updates on 'built in' head units are simply a rip off as stated above. I guess, with the spread of systems such as Apple Car Play, the need to update will gradually disappear. When I was a roving Service Engineer covering from Dover to Swansea and Oxford to the Isle of Wight, I used to carry a boot load of Street Maps. I bet the reduced weight of a Sat Nav over the weight of all those maps would have had it paid off from the improved fuel economy
|
|
|
Post by Hoovie on Jul 2, 2019 20:05:40 GMT
Took the bus from Oxford to London last Saturday and, looking down from the top deck as cars passed, was pleasantly surprised to see several car passengers with road atlases on their laps. Nice to know that some can still read maps and don't rely blindly on Satnavs. Looking back, I used to manage perfectly well with a route card and map book............ Map updates on 'built in' head units are simply a rip off as stated above. I guess, with the spread of systems such as Apple Car Play, the need to update will gradually disappear. I certainly don't "rely blindly on satnavs", but equally I wouldn't want to go back to the days of trying to navigate while looking at a map, or even if the passenger is doing that. It often leads to rows as I'm sure most of us have experienced.. No, I always 'check out' a new journey on AA routes beforehand, plus Google Earth and I'll familiarise myself with the final roads both as maps and as satellite views, sometimes even printing them out. But after that, yes I want and expect the satnav to take me there. The 'research' is my back up plan. One of the most annoying things about satnavs is if for whatever reason you are unable to insert a 'house number' when asked to do so, it doesn't like it! The problem is, a lot of people use house names and other destinations are companies, works etc. But in general, yes I like satnavs and obviously having one that is up to date is beneficial but not crucial. Have a look at this - what3words.com/products/ - give you an easy to remember location. For example, someone in a specific 3M x 3M area north-west of Kiev may be located using the words Unicorns, Alpacas and Cats (https://map.what3words.com/unicorns.alpacas.cats)
|
|