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Post by Paulus17 on Jul 2, 2019 7:53:04 GMT
OK folks so Mrs P is now thinking of getting a newer Rav, well 4.3 model, as she really wants an auto and with the decent 3 doors been so expensive thought she may as well get a later one.
So my question is are the auto boxes ok on the 4.3 models is there anything to look out for with them, is there anything in general to look out for on the 4.3 petrol models??
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Post by firemac on Jul 2, 2019 9:19:59 GMT
I test drove a 4.3 automatic a few years back and was really impressed. Even though it is a CVT it drove almost as well as our 4.2 automatics.
The petrol engine in the 4.3 is the VVTi, same as in the 4.2 but with more modern ECUs. It is one of the best engines ever, bar none and is bullet proof. The only downsides are the MPG and they will need O2 sensors if they have been run on crap supermarket fuel.
If you are not heavy with the right foot, you can get decent MPG. Our current RAV is averaging 32+ and most of that is relatively short town runs. So far, this is the most economical petrol RAV we have had.
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Post by Paulus17 on Jul 2, 2019 13:16:36 GMT
I test drove a 4.3 automatic a few years back and was really impressed. Even though it is a CVT it drove almost as well as our 4.2 automatics. The petrol engine in the 4.3 is the VVTi, same as in the 4.2 but with more modern ECUs. It is one of the best engines ever, bar none and is bullet proof. The only downsides are the MPG and they will need O2 sensors if they have been run on crap supermarket fuel. If you are not heavy with the right foot, you can get decent MPG. Our current RAV is averaging 32+ and most of that is relatively short town runs. So far, this is the most economical petrol RAV we have had. Cheers Jim :TU: Yes I think this 3 door is better on the MPG than the 5 door was. I've been having a quick look around and some are been described as having M drive and valvematic, I take it the valvematic is a CVT but what is the M drive? |
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Post by bigkev on Jul 2, 2019 13:35:05 GMT
My 2012 is NOT a CVT and is a totally superb seamless gear changing machine.
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Post by firemac on Jul 2, 2019 14:46:54 GMT
My 2012 is NOT a CVT and is a totally superb seamless gear changing machine. But is it petrol, BK? |
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Post by firemac on Jul 2, 2019 15:41:04 GMT
I test drove a 4.3 automatic a few years back and was really impressed. Even though it is a CVT it drove almost as well as our 4.2 automatics. The petrol engine in the 4.3 is the VVTi, same as in the 4.2 but with more modern ECUs. It is one of the best engines ever, bar none and is bullet proof. The only downsides are the MPG and they will need O2 sensors if they have been run on crap supermarket fuel. If you are not heavy with the right foot, you can get decent MPG. Our current RAV is averaging 32+ and most of that is relatively short town runs. So far, this is the most economical petrol RAV we have had. Cheers Jim  Yes I think this 3 door is better on the MPG than the 5 door was. I've been having a quick look around and some are been described as having M drive and valvematic, I take it the valvematic is a CVT but what is the M drive? I believe that Valvematic is Toyota-speak for the VVTi petrol engine fitted to the 4.3. It will have any updates that Toyota made to the original design plus more sophiticated ECUs.
M-Drive is what Toyota called some of their automatics. I came across it in my daughter's first Aygo although I believe that in that application it was an automated manual NOT a CVT. As far as I know, all of their petrol engines from the 4.3 0nwards were mated to CVTs while the diesels got conventional torque converter boxes. Our D-Cat 4.3 auto was a TC autobox.
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Post by charliefarlie on Jul 2, 2019 16:16:41 GMT
My 2012 is NOT a CVT and is a totally superb seamless gear changing machine. But is it petrol, BK? Kevs car is Diesel so is mine. The diesels gearbox is superb but them all Rav auto boxes are 👍 |
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Post by Hoovie on Jul 2, 2019 19:49:59 GMT
Word to note ... the Auto Diesel RAV4.3 is very poor on the fuel. I would say if you are looking at the 3rd Gen and an Automatic, the Petrol models are probably the better option (IMO). The Rav 4.4 Diesel Auto (like Charlies) is significantly better on the fuel (still doesn't run on fumes, mind  ) |
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Post by clarki on Jul 2, 2019 20:29:24 GMT
4.3s are the best, always will be...well, at least until I sell mine lol
I'm averaging 40.8 mpg, but its a manual, not a fan of autos tbh, much prefer a manual gearbox. No issues to date. There have been a couple of recalls, airbag and electric window switches IIRC.
I love mine, pulls strong, handles great, good brakes, comfortable and cheap to run. 2 drawbacks I find; the way the rear door opens and it's a bit noisy compared with modern stuff. Should have sold up, moved on years ago but couldn't imagine being without it tbh. Hopefully it'll last another 10 years!!
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Post by anchorman on Jul 2, 2019 23:58:46 GMT
Kev's is diesel and it’s married to the biggest auto box you’ve ever seen so if scale is anything to go by it’s going to be well on top of the job.
You can get petrol autos in a 4.3 but from what I can remember they are either CVT or FWD only. I personally wouldn’t bother with either.
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Post by Paulus17 on Jul 3, 2019 6:42:08 GMT
Kev's is diesel and it’s married to the biggest auto box you’ve ever seen so if scale is anything to go by it’s going to be well on top of the job. You can get petrol autos in a 4.3 but from what I can remember they are either CVT or FWD only. I personally wouldn’t bother with either. Diesel is no good to us with Mrs P doing less miles so it would have to be a petrol auto. Don why wouldn't you bother with either? The three she was looking at on the Toyota website have all been sold already and have been told that when they come in they don't hang around for long?? |
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Post by Paulus17 on Jul 3, 2019 6:44:19 GMT
Cheers Jim Yes I think this 3 door is better on the MPG than the 5 door was. I've been having a quick look around and some are been described as having M drive and valvematic, I take it the valvematic is a CVT but what is the M drive? I believe that Valvematic is Toyota-speak for the VVTi petrol engine fitted to the 4.3. It will have any updates that Toyota made to the original design plus more sophiticated ECUs.
M-Drive is what Toyota called some of their automatics. I came across it in my daughter's first Aygo although I believe that in that application it was an automated manual NOT a CVT. As far as I know, all of their petrol engines from the 4.3 0nwards were mated to CVTs while the diesels got conventional torque converter boxes. Our D-Cat 4.3 auto was a TC autobox.
Thanks Jim :TU: |
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Post by bigkev on Jul 3, 2019 6:53:05 GMT
Have only driven two PETROL automatics, both Auri (note Latin plural), one in Scotland, one in Canada through Them Rockies.
The CVT gearboxes in both were utter, utter pish........so many revs. just going oot the exhaust having done NO work ffs......
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Post by philip42h on Jul 3, 2019 7:47:00 GMT
Cheers Jim Yes I think this 3 door is better on the MPG than the 5 door was. I've been having a quick look around and some are been described as having M drive and valvematic, I take it the valvematic is a CVT but what is the M drive? I believe that Valvematic is Toyota-speak for the VVTi petrol engine fitted to the 4.3. It will have any updates that Toyota made to the original design plus more sophiticated ECUs.
M-Drive is what Toyota called some of their automatics. I came across it in my daughter's first Aygo although I believe that in that application it was an automated manual NOT a CVT. As far as I know, all of their petrol engines from the 4.3 0nwards were mated to CVTs while the diesels got conventional torque converter boxes. Our D-Cat 4.3 auto was a TC autobox.
I don't think that last paragraph is quite correct ... the automated manual is known as MMT - multimode manual transmission - and I don't believe that any RAV was blessed with that type of gearbox. M-Drive S refers to the 7-speed CVT autobox fitted to XTR models from 2009 onwards (and through the 4.4). I believe that earlier XT4 and XT5 autos were fitted with a conventional 4-speed torque converter auto. According to Parkers the 4-speed auto gives 0-60 mph in 11.6 seconds and 31 mpg while the 7-speed CVT gives 0-60 mph in 10.6 seconds and 37 mpg so I can guess why Toyota switched and I know which I would choose if I were in the market for a petrol auto. Diesels offer better torque and acceleration so some of us much prefer a diesel. Petrol engines deliver such torque as they do at higher revs so going back to a petrol one would have to accept higher revs during acceleration ... |
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Post by firemac on Jul 3, 2019 11:19:00 GMT
I believe that Valvematic is Toyota-speak for the VVTi petrol engine fitted to the 4.3. It will have any updates that Toyota made to the original design plus more sophiticated ECUs.
M-Drive is what Toyota called some of their automatics. I came across it in my daughter's first Aygo although I believe that in that application it was an automated manual NOT a CVT. As far as I know, all of their petrol engines from the 4.3 0nwards were mated to CVTs while the diesels got conventional torque converter boxes. Our D-Cat 4.3 auto was a TC autobox.
Thanks Jim Paul, I know I come across as a bit religious when it comes to 4.2s, but why not keep your eye open for a low-ish mileage 4.2 auto? You know how good they are already and they have a terrific drivetrain, one of the best. If you can find one that has been looked after, it coukd be a real result. |
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