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Post by widge on May 8, 2019 7:00:18 GMT
Hi,
i was in the UK last weekend to go to a works reunion and a friend gave me a lift from London to Chepstow in South Wales in his new Nissan leaf, i was quite impressed it sat very comfortably at 70 on the motorway it picked up very quickly if you put your foot down, range was a bit limited we got about 120 with motorway driving, he normally runs around London so range not a problem for him.
We stopped at Aust services to recharge and got a full charge in about 40 minutes cost £8, unfortunately they only had 1 charger and had to wait 15 minutes for someone else to finish, I was surprised how quick the charge was, it was pushing about 80-100 amps in at 400v.
I know that there is a long way to go and due to the lithium battery not as eco friendly as we would like at the moment but unless we continue to develop new technologies like this the outlook is not very good.
Dave
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Post by unclebob on May 8, 2019 20:33:30 GMT
I can see the advantage of an electric car around London but it world worry the hell out of me going on a long journey and finding a charging point, and as you found out having to wait to use it...think they need a long range before I show any interest 👍🏻
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Post by jasehutch on May 8, 2019 20:56:54 GMT
I wandered past a new model Nissan Leaf just the other day and it actually looks like a proper car now. If I had one I'd carry a generator in the boot just in case.  |
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Post by Hoovie on May 8, 2019 22:27:27 GMT
Hi, i was in the UK last weekend to go to a works reunion and a friend gave me a lift from London to Chepstow in South Wales in his new Nissan leaf, i was quite impressed it sat very comfortably at 70 on the motorway it picked up very quickly if you put your foot down, range was a bit limited we got about 120 with motorway driving, he normally runs around London so range not a problem for him. We stopped at Aust services to recharge and got a full charge in about 40 minutes cost £8, unfortunately they only had 1 charger and had to wait 15 minutes for someone else to finish, I was surprised how quick the charge was, it was pushing about 80-100 amps in at 400v. I know that there is a long way to go and due to the lithium battery not as eco friendly as we would like at the moment but unless we continue to develop new technologies like this the outlook is not very good. Dave 80-100A @ 400V! that is upto 40,000W ! that is a lot of power on a recharging cable! I recharge my batteries at 100A @ 14V but seems to be the case ... www.nissan.co.uk/vehicles/new-vehicles/leaf/range-charging.html"Domestic socket: 21h
7kW Wallbox: 7h30 / 13h (Acenta grade)
50kW Quick Charger: from 20 to 80% around 60 min***"£8 for 40kW - 20p/kW. not that far off a home rate either. £8 for 120 miles for electric equals nearly 80MPG if compared to 'wet fuel' running costs so not bad |
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Post by widge on May 9, 2019 5:32:48 GMT
Hi, i was in the UK last weekend to go to a works reunion and a friend gave me a lift from London to Chepstow in South Wales in his new Nissan leaf, i was quite impressed it sat very comfortably at 70 on the motorway it picked up very quickly if you put your foot down, range was a bit limited we got about 120 with motorway driving, he normally runs around London so range not a problem for him. We stopped at Aust services to recharge and got a full charge in about 40 minutes cost £8, unfortunately they only had 1 charger and had to wait 15 minutes for someone else to finish, I was surprised how quick the charge was, it was pushing about 80-100 amps in at 400v. I know that there is a long way to go and due to the lithium battery not as eco friendly as we would like at the moment but unless we continue to develop new technologies like this the outlook is not very good. Dave 80-100A @ 400V! that is upto 40,000W ! that is a lot of power on a recharging cable! I recharge my batteries at 100A @ 14V but seems to be the case ... www.nissan.co.uk/vehicles/new-vehicles/leaf/range-charging.html"Domestic socket: 21h
7kW Wallbox: 7h30 / 13h (Acenta grade)
50kW Quick Charger: from 20 to 80% around 60 min***"£8 for 40kW - 20p/kW. not that far off a home rate either. £8 for 120 miles for electric equals nearly 80MPG if compared to 'wet fuel' running costs so not bad I forget which charging company he favours but if for some reason there is a comunication problem between the charger an the network it goes to free vend. |
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Post by shcm on May 9, 2019 5:58:42 GMT
80-100A @ 400V! that is upto 40,000W ! that is a lot of power on a recharging cable! I recharge my batteries at 100A @ 14V I believe the Tesla "supercharger" is 120kW (480V DC). The new improved version has a claimed 250kW peak (when it appears) Interesting(ish) graph on page 5 (Well, I think it is): www.ofgem.gov.uk/ofgem-publications/136142Overall NOx and PM10 emissions not the lowest with a battery EV due to current power station emissions, but that will change as power generation methods change. |
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Post by aleman on May 9, 2019 7:32:59 GMT
The Tesla 'App' in the car will tell you where the nearest charging station are, and if they are currently in use, you can also get the Sat Nav to route you via charging stations as required. The Mini Connected App on the phone is a piece of shit!! One thing that surprised me, although it shouldn't given the current involved, is the price of the high speed cable if it's not included in your car purchase  |
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Post by unclebob on May 9, 2019 8:22:16 GMT
Thought I read a home charging insulation kit is around a £1000 depending on the output your car requires ?
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Post by three5 on May 9, 2019 9:25:23 GMT
80-100A @ 400V! that is upto 40,000W ! that is a lot of power on a recharging cable! I recharge my batteries at 100A @ 14V I believe the Tesla "supercharger" is 120kW (480V DC). The new improved version has a claimed 250kW peak (when it appears) Interesting(ish) graph on page 5 (Well, I think it is): www.ofgem.gov.uk/ofgem-publications/136142Overall NOx and PM10 emissions not the lowest with a battery EV due to current power station emissions, but that will change as power generation methods change. Read an article a few months ago about charging stations at garages, This guy had calculated that if we continue to do the same mileages as we do now with electric cars, each existing garage forecourt would have a 3MW demand on the national grid. The two questions that this posed were 1) When will the power distribution system to support this be available and 2) Where will this power be generated and by what means?
A furthe bit of non-joined up thinking is that the government foresees that new homes will be so energy efficient that they will only need a 40 amp supply instead of the current ( sorry! ) 80 - 100 amps.
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Post by firemac on May 9, 2019 10:05:01 GMT
I believe the Tesla "supercharger" is 120kW (480V DC). The new improved version has a claimed 250kW peak (when it appears) Interesting(ish) graph on page 5 (Well, I think it is): www.ofgem.gov.uk/ofgem-publications/136142Overall NOx and PM10 emissions not the lowest with a battery EV due to current power station emissions, but that will change as power generation methods change. Read an article a few months ago about charging stations at garages, This guy had calculated that if we continue to do the same mileages as we do now with electric cars, each existing garage forecourt would have a 3MW demand on the national grid. The two questions that this posed were 1) When will the power distribution system to support this be available and 2) Where will this power be generated and by what means?
A furthe bit of non-joined up thinking is that the government foresees that new homes will be so energy efficient that they will only need a 40 amp supply instead of the current ( sorry! ) 80 - 100 amps.
It's been well-known in the energy industry for some years that with the closure of most of the coal-burning power plants, a moratorium on new gas combined cycle stations (which have a remarkable 57% efficiency ratio) plus the lunatic development of wind farms, there is no way on God's earth that the national grid can support the output required to power EVs when they replace fossil fuel-powered vehicles by 2040 (now revised to 2030 if the loonies on the govt's climate change committee have their way). As usual, politicians haven't the slightest clue what their talking about when they pontificate about these things. It's all about gesture politics and virtue signalling. Just look at how Gove, the Environment Minister, salivated at the rubbish spouted by that Swedish schoolgirl last week. So the UK is going to develop its energy strategy based on the bo**ocks spouted by a 16-year old? God help us all! |
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Post by aleman on May 9, 2019 10:09:56 GMT
Thought I read a home charging insulation kit is around a £1000 depending on the output your car requires ? With the OLEV Grant a 16A charge point (Chargemaster) can be had for £295 ... If you can't get the OLEV Grant then it's £795 ... Other more expensive options are available, but the OLEV Grant is fixed at £500. |
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Post by clarki on May 9, 2019 14:19:28 GMT
My mum has an i3. BMW recon it'll do 200miles on a charge. In reality it's nearer 170-180. Which is fine for her. Think the longest journey she does is to me and that's only 35miles.
She charges it, at home, about once a week, costs something like £3!!
Electric cars do work, but as I can tell, not for the masses. However, at the moment the world does seem to be only interested in pleasing pointless individual groups rather than listening to what the masses actually have to say!! Annoys me. How do these people actually think all their ideas happen, magic?? No, it's money. How do you generated said money?? Oh, I hadn't thought of that!! Morons.
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Post by charliefarlie on May 9, 2019 16:06:31 GMT
My mum has an i3. BMW recon it'll do 200miles on a charge. In reality it's nearer 170-180. Which is fine for her. Think the longest journey she does is to me and that's only 35miles. She charges it, at home, about once a week, costs something like £3!! Electric cars do work, but as I can tell, not for the masses. However, at the moment the world does seem to be only interested in pleasing pointless individual groups rather than listening to what the masses actually have to say!! Annoys me. How do these people actually think all their ideas happen, magic?? No, it's money. How do you generated said money?? Oh, I hadn't thought of that!! Morons. 170 miles is a good range and would make a leccy car viable for those like me that live out in the sticks.... But many in the know complain about the higher pollution rate in production of these cars added to which the battery’s will need replacing adding more pollution still equating in no gains in environmentals possibly losses ?? 3 quid a week is very good if electricity doesn't rise which eventually it must so the greedy bar stards will remove the contents of our pockets..... For now it the fumes burner for my running around. My IQ runs on fumes you know not sure if I ever mentioned that??? |
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Post by Hoovie on May 15, 2019 18:27:19 GMT
Install solar panels on the roof to charge the Electric Car Batteries Maybe I should convert my camper to electric? right now I physically have around 14,000Wh of Battery in it  |
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