gadget
Club Member
Aussie in Norway
Posts: 45
Location: Norway.
Primary Vehicle: Toyota RAV4
Year: 2007
Model Spec/Trim: RAV4.3, D4D, 5-d, 6 speed Sport.
Engine Capacity: 2.2
Fuel Type: Diesel
Transmission: Manual
Drive Type: 4WD/AWD
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Post by gadget on Jun 20, 2023 15:55:41 GMT
Hi, I started a new thread because this problem might not be seen attached to the previous one........
The serpintine belt was changed at an ok price by Toyota and the car ran smoothly 11 kilometers all the way home.
Later, my wife drove about 1 kilometer to do some shopping with no problems, on the way home it was a different story........
After driving almost all the way home from shopping in the last 300 meters the car started jerking and losing power there was a rattling sound and the engine stopped.
The engine started again after a minute and the car made it home the 300 meters without a problem. Now the CHECK VSC and 4X4 SYSTEM warning lights are on when the ignition is turned on.
Could it be that the broken serpentine belt hit something like a wire on a sensor or something?
The engine will start but there´s a rattle and on revving it looses power and stops after a while.
So I´ll call tomorrow morning and have the car back to Toyota Service in the morning.
Cheers, John
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Post by charliefarlie on Jun 20, 2023 18:44:13 GMT
It’s quite common for the cars to throw up that message. Try disconnecting the battery and leaving for ten minutes befor reconnecting. That kinda re boots the cars electronics and very often clears that message. It’s free and easy and really does work often. 👍👍
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gadget
Club Member
Aussie in Norway
Posts: 45
Location: Norway.
Primary Vehicle: Toyota RAV4
Year: 2007
Model Spec/Trim: RAV4.3, D4D, 5-d, 6 speed Sport.
Engine Capacity: 2.2
Fuel Type: Diesel
Transmission: Manual
Drive Type: 4WD/AWD
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Post by gadget on Jun 20, 2023 20:07:46 GMT
It’s quite common for the cars to throw up that message. Try disconnecting the battery and leaving for ten minutes before reconnecting. That kinda re boots the cars electronics and very often clears that message. It’s free and easy and really does work often. 👍👍 Thanks but when the message comes up would it make the car play up? I called to order a truck for tomorrow morning but the guy said he can´t promise what time it can be picked and said he´s close to us now so the truck just left with the car to take it back to Toyota, I´ll call them at 07:00 tomorrow. I started the car to move it into position for the bed of the truck. there were no warning lights at all and the engine was smooth and revved without a problem just like when I picked it up from Toyota this afternoon....... I hate having an untrustworthy car.
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Post by charliefarlie on Jun 21, 2023 8:00:45 GMT
It’s quite common for the cars to throw up that message. Try disconnecting the battery and leaving for ten minutes before reconnecting. That kinda re boots the cars electronics and very often clears that message. It’s free and easy and really does work often. 👍👍 Thanks but when the message comes up would it make the car play up? I called to order a truck for tomorrow morning but the guy said he can´t promise what time it can be picked and said he´s close to us now so the truck just left with the car to take it back to Toyota, I´ll call them at 07:00 tomorrow. I started the car to move it into position for the bed of the truck. there were no warning lights at all and the engine was smooth and revved without a problem just like when I picked it up from Toyota this afternoon....... I hate having an untrustworthy car. If you’d have tried the re boot by battery disconnect first you very likely wouldn’t have needed that truck . Chances are they won’t do anything now anyway . The main culprit for throwing up that message is the brake light switch above the brake pedal . But it’s not unusual to see that message which can appear then vanish never to return . It wouldn’t be right for me or anyone to say whether you should drive the car or not as if damage was done or the car was unsafe it’s you who has to answer for the consequences. I keep a diagnostics scanner to hand so if I have a message pop up I can read it and clear the code. My scanner stores the code for reference. If you didn’t see a fault code and only saw the VSC etc it’s unlikely you have a problem it’s just the Toyota ghost. Many cars will respond to the reboot but Toyotas especially the Mk3s really do respond well . First thing to do 🤙🤙 Oh and I wouldn’t judge your car as unreliable it’s just a minor thing that can pop up.
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gadget
Club Member
Aussie in Norway
Posts: 45
Location: Norway.
Primary Vehicle: Toyota RAV4
Year: 2007
Model Spec/Trim: RAV4.3, D4D, 5-d, 6 speed Sport.
Engine Capacity: 2.2
Fuel Type: Diesel
Transmission: Manual
Drive Type: 4WD/AWD
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Post by gadget on Jun 21, 2023 9:43:22 GMT
Thanks charliefarlie, I called Toyota, they said that they had a quick look and said a fuel leak was showing, there´s people ahead of me and they can´t really look at it properly until tomorrow.
Does the `Toyota Ghost´ make the VSC and 4X4 system warning lights come on AND make a problem with the drive.... rattle/lurch and stop, would that have been fixed with a reboot?
Is a reboot only when the warning lights come on without a mechanical problem showing up. (If it was only the VSC and 4X4 warning lights without any driving problems).
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Post by philip42h on Jun 21, 2023 10:24:55 GMT
Thanks charliefarlie, I called Toyota, they said that they had a quick look and said a fuel leak was showing, there´s people ahead of me and they can´t really look at it properly until tomorrow. Does the `Toyota Ghost´ make the VSC and 4X4 system warning lights come on AND make a problem with the drive.... rattle/lurch and stop, would that have been fixed with a reboot? Is a reboot only when the warning lights come on without a mechanical problem showing up. (If it was only the VSC and 4X4 warning lights without any driving problems). The triumvirate of lights is quite well known - the engine management light comes on to suggest that you read the corresponding codes to find out what is wrong; and the VSC and 4x4 lights comes on in sympathy because the engine management system is upset and can't tell whether the VSC and 4x4 systems will function correctly. So the lights are misleading - codes need to be read to discover the cause. This 'started' with you losing the serpentine belt. As I understand just losing the serpentine belt isn't a big issue - you'd lose the alternator and water pump so that battery would eventually run flat and the engine would eventually overheat but as long as you spotted the issue soon enough no real harm would be done. I'm more concerned with why you lost the serpentine belt and what was the issue that cause that to happen - it could just have worn (but it's a reasonably long life component) but it may have failed for some other reason. And the "rattle, lurch, jerking and losing power and engine stopping" really does need to be understood ...
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Post by firemac on Jun 21, 2023 10:47:44 GMT
Thanks charliefarlie, I called Toyota, they said that they had a quick look and said a fuel leak was showing, there´s people ahead of me and they can´t really look at it properly until tomorrow. Does the `Toyota Ghost´ make the VSC and 4X4 system warning lights come on AND make a problem with the drive.... rattle/lurch and stop, would that have been fixed with a reboot? Is a reboot only when the warning lights come on without a mechanical problem showing up. (If it was only the VSC and 4X4 warning lights without any driving problems). The triumvirate of lights is quite well known - the engine management light comes on to suggest that you read the corresponding codes to find out what is wrong; and the VSC and 4x4 lights comes on in sympathy because the engine management system is upset and can't tell whether the VSC and 4x4 systems will function correctly. So the lights are misleading - codes need to be read to discover the cause. This 'started' with you losing the serpentine belt. As I understand just losing the serpentine belt isn't a big issue - you'd lose the alternator and water pump so that battery would eventually run flat and the engine would eventually overheat but as long as you spotted the issue soon enough no real harm would be done. I'm more concerned with why you lost the serpentine belt and what was the issue that cause that to happen - it could just have worn (but it's a reasonably long life component) but it may have failed for some other reason. And the "rattle, lurch, jerking and losing power and engine stopping" really does need to be understood ... AFAIR from my 4.2 and 4.3 days, the serpentine belt is scheduled for replacement at 60K Miles or 6 years. If the car is dealership serviced then they should do this automatically. Having said that our first 4.2 threw its belt because the dealer missed it 😡.
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Post by philip42h on Jun 21, 2023 12:37:40 GMT
The triumvirate of lights is quite well known - the engine management light comes on to suggest that you read the corresponding codes to find out what is wrong; and the VSC and 4x4 lights comes on in sympathy because the engine management system is upset and can't tell whether the VSC and 4x4 systems will function correctly. So the lights are misleading - codes need to be read to discover the cause. This 'started' with you losing the serpentine belt. As I understand just losing the serpentine belt isn't a big issue - you'd lose the alternator and water pump so that battery would eventually run flat and the engine would eventually overheat but as long as you spotted the issue soon enough no real harm would be done. I'm more concerned with why you lost the serpentine belt and what was the issue that cause that to happen - it could just have worn (but it's a reasonably long life component) but it may have failed for some other reason. And the "rattle, lurch, jerking and losing power and engine stopping" really does need to be understood ... AFAIR from my 4.2 and 4.3 days, the serpentine belt is scheduled for replacement at 60K Miles or 6 years. If the car is dealership serviced then they should do this automatically. Having said that our first 4.2 threw its belt because the dealer missed it 😡. And the current service inspection sheet calls for the "multi V-belt tension and condition" to be checked after 6 years / 60,000 miles and annually / every 10,000 miles thereafter. There's no scheduled replacement but obviously that would be done as and when the condition required it. The OP originally stated "I have a 2007 RAV4 D4D, 150,000+ kilometers, I do most of the work on it and services". So the tension and condition of the serpentine belt should have been checked annually since 2013 ... The OP didn't say when the serpentine belt was last checked or changed.
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Post by firemac on Jun 21, 2023 12:49:44 GMT
AFAIR from my 4.2 and 4.3 days, the serpentine belt is scheduled for replacement at 60K Miles or 6 years. If the car is dealership serviced then they should do this automatically. Having said that our first 4.2 threw its belt because the dealer missed it 😡. And the current service inspection sheet calls for the "multi V-belt tension and condition" to be checked after 6 years / 60,000 miles and annually / every 10,000 miles thereafter. There's no scheduled replacement but obviously that would be done as and when the condition required it. The OP originally stated "I have a 2007 RAV4 D4D, 150,000+ kilometers, I do most of the work on it and services". So the tension and condition of the serpentine belt should have been checked annually since 2013 ... The OP didn't say when the serpentine belt was last checked or changed. Ours broke at about 8 years and 80K miles. Since then I always changed the belt at 60K/6 years to be on the safe side.
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Post by charliefarlie on Jun 21, 2023 13:23:04 GMT
Thanks charliefarlie, I called Toyota, they said that they had a quick look and said a fuel leak was showing, there´s people ahead of me and they can´t really look at it properly until tomorrow. Does the `Toyota Ghost´ make the VSC and 4X4 system warning lights come on AND make a problem with the drive.... rattle/lurch and stop, would that have been fixed with a reboot? Is a reboot only when the warning lights come on without a mechanical problem showing up. (If it was only the VSC and 4X4 warning lights without any driving problems). No it’s just lights coming on. My T180 did it 3 times during my ownership which was circa 50K miles over 3 years….. Each time the reboot cured it. I can’t remember though if it induced limp mode once. It’s over 9 years since I sold that car.
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voyager
Junior Member
RAV4 T180 2006
Posts: 3
Year: 2006
Model Spec/Trim: RAV4 T280
Engine Capacity: 2.2
Fuel Type: Diesel
Transmission: Manual
Drive Type: FWD
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Post by voyager on Jun 21, 2023 21:12:17 GMT
My 2006 T180 brings up the warning lights maybe once a year I’ve had it scanned by several different garages who have all said there’s no fault code. I just do the disconnect negative battery terminal for 20 minutes which nearly always works. I do seem to remember years ago renewing the brake light switch,might be worth trying. I also recall being told the fuel filler cap on older vehicles can trigger the warning lights.? Worth changing that as they are only about £20 .
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gadget
Club Member
Aussie in Norway
Posts: 45
Location: Norway.
Primary Vehicle: Toyota RAV4
Year: 2007
Model Spec/Trim: RAV4.3, D4D, 5-d, 6 speed Sport.
Engine Capacity: 2.2
Fuel Type: Diesel
Transmission: Manual
Drive Type: 4WD/AWD
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Post by gadget on Jun 22, 2023 7:49:00 GMT
The problem is that there is a fault regardless of what warning lights come up, so next time I´ll remember the battery disconnect and get a scanner.
Can someone recommend a scanner that´s not too expensive, are there scanners that are better for Toyota than others?
Online these in the UK seem ok, I can have one (or another) sent to me in Norway.
Creader 3001
Ancel AS 200
MUCAR CDL20
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gadget
Club Member
Aussie in Norway
Posts: 45
Location: Norway.
Primary Vehicle: Toyota RAV4
Year: 2007
Model Spec/Trim: RAV4.3, D4D, 5-d, 6 speed Sport.
Engine Capacity: 2.2
Fuel Type: Diesel
Transmission: Manual
Drive Type: 4WD/AWD
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Post by gadget on Jun 22, 2023 7:56:00 GMT
Sounds like we all should install a battery disconnect switch like in my old rally car!
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Post by charliefarlie on Jun 22, 2023 8:16:16 GMT
Can someone recommend a scanner/code reader that´s not too expensive, are there scanners that are better for Toyota than others? Autel do some reasonably priced scanners but nearly all the generic ones scan just the engine and it’s closely related parts . To scan Brakes ABS Steering Electronic handbrakes Gearboxes etc etc you need an “ All systems “ scanner . So whether a generic 30 to 100 quid scanner would pick up and report on the message your seeing I’m not sure. It’ll depend on the scanner . It’s very unlikely there will be a stored code for the “ ghost “ anyway As best I remember that won’t register . Changing that brake light switch which is the more common culprit is a good idea. Unless your tiny get a garage to do it as it’s awkward and little space to work. I bought an Autel all systems unit a good few years ago at which time it was 5 to 600 quid but it’s been brilliant and still does the business today . Autel 300 series start at well below 50 on EBay or Amazon .
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gadget
Club Member
Aussie in Norway
Posts: 45
Location: Norway.
Primary Vehicle: Toyota RAV4
Year: 2007
Model Spec/Trim: RAV4.3, D4D, 5-d, 6 speed Sport.
Engine Capacity: 2.2
Fuel Type: Diesel
Transmission: Manual
Drive Type: 4WD/AWD
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Post by gadget on Jun 23, 2023 16:30:42 GMT
I was called by Toyota service today, they found a sensor that was damaged by the belt as it came apart, "the plastic cover was broken and the contacts were damaged", (I suggested that the broken belt might have damaged something when I brought the car in for the second time 3 days ago)
He didn´t say what sensor it was but said because the mechanic missed it on Monday he said that I´d get a discount.
They did a temporary repair to the sensor so I can use the car over the weekend and I picked the car up about an hour ago, everything seems fine. I´ll return for the new sensor on Tuesday.
So what sensor do you think might have been damaged by the broken serpentine belt? I can´t find a diagram.
So that´s the latest........
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