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Post by Paulus17 on Nov 5, 2022 13:31:31 GMT
We, well Mrs p has decided to have a couple of panels on the Rav re-sprayed, namely the drivers door and bonnet, which have both gone dull for some reason?
We found a place local-ish to us and he said he would blend the other panels in so you couldn't notice as it's a non-metallic paint.
However Mrs P is now considering having the whole car re-sprayed so it will all look the same.
Should she be worried about this or would a good polish and wax on the older panels hide any of the differences, if there would be any??
I mention the wax and polish as the bloke told us that they did a 3 door Rav a few weeks back and it looked like new when finished.
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Post by unclebob on Nov 5, 2022 14:56:32 GMT
You can only be guided by the paint shop…if they are happy it will blend in then, just get the panels done you want 👍🏻
Best feedback on here is any other mk2 owner has had black paintwork done .
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Post by charliefarlie on Nov 5, 2022 15:08:02 GMT
Depends entirely on how good or bad the body shop is. If they aren’t good enough to match your existing paint your at the wrong place. Same applies to a full respray only the best will turn out a top job. .. Top body shops will have colour matching machines. 90% of the time that means a good match. But they can miss sometimes,
To paint a car to a high standard means removing all trim pieces and taking out the windscreen and any other glass that held in by rubber mouldings, I would imagine a car the size of a RAV4 would cost between 4 and 5 K for a proper job. Two panels around 600….. You won’t recoup that if you ever sell. Fact is some people including myself would never buy a car that’s been resprayed. To many ifs or buts..
Same applies to polishing, Some will achieve brilliant results some make a right pigs ear of it. The end result when polishing depends to a greater or lesser degree on how much lacquer is in the car, You can only polish what’s there.
For me I definitely wouldn’t be repainting areas that don’t need it. The body shop should not need to paint the whole car so it’s all the same colour at the end .
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Post by firemac on Nov 5, 2022 16:27:55 GMT
We, well Mrs p has decided to have a couple of panels on the Rav re-sprayed, namely the drivers door and bonnet, which have both gone dull for some reason? We found a place local-ish to us and he said he would blend the other panels in so you couldn't notice as it's a non-metallic paint. However Mrs P is now considering having the whole car re-sprayed so it will all look the same. Should she be worried about this or would a good polish and wax on the older panels hide any of the differences, if there would be any?? I mention the wax and polish as the bloke told us that they did a 3 door Rav a few weeks back and it looked like new when finished. Might be a pointless question but have you considered having the car fully detailed before getting any re spray done? A good detailer may well bring the finish back to near what it should be. |
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Post by charliefarlie on Nov 5, 2022 17:36:32 GMT
We, well Mrs p has decided to have a couple of panels on the Rav re-sprayed, namely the drivers door and bonnet, which have both gone dull for some reason? We found a place local-ish to us and he said he would blend the other panels in so you couldn't notice as it's a non-metallic paint. However Mrs P is now considering having the whole car re-sprayed so it will all look the same. Should she be worried about this or would a good polish and wax on the older panels hide any of the differences, if there would be any?? I mention the wax and polish as the bloke told us that they did a 3 door Rav a few weeks back and it looked like new when finished. Might be a pointless question but have you considered having the car fully detailed before getting any re spray done? A good detailer may well bring the finish back to near what it should be. Very valid point. The fact that 2 panels in isolation have faded or “ dropped back “ suggests they may have been painted in the past. |
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Post by Paulus17 on Nov 5, 2022 19:35:27 GMT
The door in question and bonnet were both nice and glossy when we bought the Rav as you can see in the first few piccys seen HERE when we first had the Rav, but now they have gone a very matt colour. My mate first noticed it some time ago and he reckons that no lacquer has been applied. We have taken it to a few garages for quotes and all agree that no lacquer is on the paintwork. I have tried meself to polish a small corner down the bottom on the door but was no good still, so would a pro polisher do any better? Charlie your prices aren't far off what we have been quoted but the one shop wanted £3.5k just to do the bonnet and the whole of the drivers side :yes: I think we will opt just to have the two panels done and take it from there. The shop in question is a well established family run business and have been going since 1980. |
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Post by charliefarlie on Nov 5, 2022 21:20:42 GMT
The door in question and bonnet were both nice and glossy when we bought the Rav as you can see in the first few piccys seen HERE when we first had the Rav, but now they have gone a very matt colour. My mate first noticed it some time ago and he reckons that no lacquer has been applied. We have taken it to a few garages for quotes and all agree that no lacquer is on the paintwork. I have tried meself to polish a small corner down the bottom on the door but was no good still, so would a pro polisher do any better? Charlie your prices aren't far off what we have been quoted but the one shop wanted £3.5k just to do the bonnet and the whole of the drivers side  I think we will opt just to have the two panels done and take it from there. The shop in question is a well established family run business and have been going since 1980. For the panels to have no lacquer they’ve been painted. There is no way the cars come from the factory like that. For it to have been glossy when you got it it’s either had something put on it or it doese have lacquer….. It doesent make sense Paul. It one of those that dictates it needs looking at before an opinion could be given. But if those that know say it’s minus it’s lacquer then that’s how it is. When you polished the corner Paul what colour was the polishing cloth ? After polishing I mean ? |
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Post by Paulus17 on Nov 6, 2022 11:32:31 GMT
The door in question and bonnet were both nice and glossy when we bought the Rav as you can see in the first few piccys seen HERE when we first had the Rav, but now they have gone a very matt colour. My mate first noticed it some time ago and he reckons that no lacquer has been applied. We have taken it to a few garages for quotes and all agree that no lacquer is on the paintwork. I have tried meself to polish a small corner down the bottom on the door but was no good still, so would a pro polisher do any better? Charlie your prices aren't far off what we have been quoted but the one shop wanted £3.5k just to do the bonnet and the whole of the drivers side I think we will opt just to have the two panels done and take it from there. The shop in question is a well established family run business and have been going since 1980. For the panels to have no lacquer they’ve been painted. There is no way the cars come from the factory like that. For it to have been glossy when you got it it’s either had something put on it or it doese have lacquer….. It doesent make sense Paul. It one of those that dictates it needs looking at before an opinion could be given. But if those that know say it’s minus it’s lacquer then that’s how it is. When you polished the corner Paul what colour was the polishing cloth ? After polishing I mean ? You can now definitely see and feel the difference on the panels either side of the door/bonnet Charlie. We have only taken it to three shops and only the one was uncertain if it had got lacquer on or not, and after showing him the photos he agreed that summat must've been on there for it to be so shiny but he wouldn't say what it could have been? To be honest Charlie i didn't look at the mop just what i was trying to do, but i suppose if it was just paint there would have been some black showing on it, it was a while ago i did it now. I think as it's been washed over time whatever was on there to give it it's shine has now been washed off? |
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Post by Paulus17 on Nov 6, 2022 12:59:59 GMT
Here are a couple of closer piccys showing how dull the door panel is compared to the rear wing panel.   |
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Post by firemac on Nov 6, 2022 13:13:49 GMT
Here are a couple of closer piccys showing how dull the door panel is compared to the rear wing panel. Paul, rather than a re spray, is it possible to re-lacquer the affected panels? I’m certainly no expert but maybe Charlie could advise? |
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Post by charliefarlie on Nov 6, 2022 13:33:35 GMT
I’m interested in my question re the colour of the polishing cloth.. I mean the cloth used for applying and rubbing in the polish not the removal one. Or polishing pad if using a machine.
It is possible to wet flat and apply lacquer but it really depends on how thick the actual paint layer is. That can only be found out by measuring. It’s generally considered a bit of a bodge to re lacquer but it can work. Problem is it’s probably 2/3 of the cost of having the panels painted and lacquered.
My guess is the panels have been repainted. Again measuring the thickness will instantly reveal all.
Truth be told it looks to me that someone has polished and struck through the laquer. It could be it’s been repainted or could be polishing errors or a combination of both. By that I mean someone may have been polishing the car without having measured the thickness of the paint. Aftermarket paint is much much thicker but also sooooo much softer. So while a polish and pad combination worked on most of the car it was too heavy for a repainted area. I’m guessing here not pointing the finger at anyones efforts.
The car looks great in Paul’s pictures up to when it faded. So why did it fade ? Where did the laquer that gleamed early on go ? There’s always an answer finding it is the hard part.
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Post by unclebob on Nov 6, 2022 14:21:45 GMT
Paul have a go at machine polishing it …as you have nothing too loose, if it all goes belly up then you will have to get it painted .
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Post by Paulus17 on Nov 6, 2022 14:38:28 GMT
Hi Jim.
My brother, who has a little knowledge of spraying, did first suggest having a go at re-lacquering it and we did consider it but thought it would make things worse, especially as we have nowhere clean to do a spray job.
Hi Bob.
I know i have mentioned about doing polishing, well having a go, in the past but decided not to attempt it and it would have been another tool bought and not used again, so didn't bother in the end. Even when i polished the headlights up i used my small drill and hand :yes:
I just can't see what could have been used to give the door and bonnet the shine it had and even the shops we have taken it too didn't know or didn't want to say?
Charlie i suppose if you saw it you would know in an instant what was wrong with it and know what to do, but if it has been polished past the lacquer it has all be taken off as it is an even covering all over, there are no patches at all??
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Post by charliefarlie on Nov 6, 2022 15:13:45 GMT
Hi Jim. My brother, who has a little knowledge of spraying, did first suggest having a go at re-lacquering it and we did consider it but thought it would make things worse, especially as we have nowhere clean to do a spray job. Hi Bob. I know i have mentioned about doing polishing, well having a go, in the past but decided not to attempt it and it would have been another tool bought and not used again, so didn't bother in the end. Even when i polished the headlights up i used my small drill and hand I just can't see what could have been used to give the door and bonnet the shine it had and even the shops we have taken it too didn't know or didn't want to say? Charlie i suppose if you saw it you would know in an instant what was wrong with it and know what to do, but if it has been polished past the lacquer it has all be taken off as it is an even covering all over, there are no patches at all?? I get what your saying Paul but somethings happened there. I’ve asked above but you haven’t answered and it’s a very important question. If you put fresh polish on a cloth and rub the dull areas what colour is the cloth afterwards ? Also how long after buying the car did the shine vanish ? |
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Post by philip42h on Nov 6, 2022 15:49:56 GMT
Also how long after buying the car did the shine vanish ? Quite quickly I suspect, Charlie ... Being the sad whatsit that I am, I went back and looked at the original RAV4 No4 thread and, I think that, whereas all looked shiny and bright in May 2020, the bonnet and driver's door looked less so in pictures posted in June 2020 and in August 2020 ... ? |
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