pmb
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Posts: 20
Primary Vehicle: Rav4
Year: 2002
Model Spec/Trim: VX
Engine Capacity: 2000
Fuel Type: Petrol
Transmission: Manual
Drive Type: 4WD/AWD
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Post by pmb on Jul 12, 2021 14:02:06 GMT
I read that petrol is going to 10% ethanol soon. The gov website says not suitable for the Avensis 2L 1AZ-FSE engine from 2000 to 2008. I thought it was the same engine in my Rav but the handbook says 1AZ-FE. Anyone care to comment about this?
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Post by widge on Jul 12, 2021 17:27:13 GMT
I read that petrol is going to 10% ethanol soon. The gov website says not suitable for the Avensis 2L 1AZ-FSE engine from 2000 to 2008. I thought it was the same engine in my Rav but the handbook says 1AZ-FE. Anyone care to comment about this? According to wikipedia the FSE engine has a different injection system, maybe this is not suitable for E10. We have had E10 in France for probably the last 10 years, we used to run our (2001) Renault Scenic on it without problems. We have the RAV4 for the last 4 years or so but I run it on E85 (with a conversion box to adjust the injection timing) but I cannot imagine a problem with using E10 on the normal engine. I understand the usual problems with ethanol is that it can affect seals etc in the fuel system if they are made of rubber. Extract from Wikipedia below 1AZ-FE The 1AZ-FE is a 2.0 L (1,998 cc) version. Output is 108 kW (145 hp) at 6000 rpm with 190 N⋅m (140 lb⋅ft) of torque at 4000 rpm for the Camry Aurion version. Rav4 and Ipsum engines were rated at 148–150 hp (110–112 kW) at 6000 rpm and 142 lb⋅ft (193 N⋅m) of torque at 4000 rpm. The 1AZ has a total displacement of 2.0 L (1,998 cc) with 86 mm × 86 mm (3.39 in × 3.39 in) bore and stroke, and a compression ratio of 9.6:1. Applications: 2002-2006 Toyota Camry (Asia version) 2006–2009 Toyota Camry (Aurion version) 2000–2003 Toyota RAV4 2003-2006 Toyota RAV4 Euro 2001–2009 Toyota Ipsum 1AZ-FSE The 1AZ-FSE is a 2.0 L (1,998 cc) version. Bore and stroke is 86 mm × 86 mm (3.39 in × 3.39 in), and a compression ratio of 11.0:1. Output is 149 PS (110 kW; 147 hp) at 5700 rpm with 196 N⋅m (145 lb⋅ft) of torque at 4000 rpm. The 1AZ-FSE features Toyota's D-4 direct injection system. Applications: Toyota Avensis Toyota Avensis Verso Toyota Noah/Voxy Toyota RAV4 Toyota Gaia Toyota Isis Toyota Ipsum Toyota Caldina Toyota Wish Toyota Allion Toyota Premio Toyota Opa |
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Post by unclebob on Jul 12, 2021 17:36:19 GMT
It’s not the same engine so nothing to worry about 👍🏻👍🏻
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pmb
Club Member
Posts: 20
Primary Vehicle: Rav4
Year: 2002
Model Spec/Trim: VX
Engine Capacity: 2000
Fuel Type: Petrol
Transmission: Manual
Drive Type: 4WD/AWD
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Post by pmb on Jul 12, 2021 18:07:40 GMT
Brilliant information as always on here. Thanks both.
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Post by unclebob on Jul 12, 2021 19:06:10 GMT
Little chemistry lesson I spotted on YouTube …..never too old to learn something new ! 😉
Although rather long winded if you need this for a classic car 😳
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Post by widge on Jul 13, 2021 6:47:07 GMT
Little chemistry lesson I spotted on YouTube …..never too old to learn something new ! 😉 Although rather long winded if you need this for a classic car 😳 Very interesting, I must check if my chainsaw and brush cutter are fine with E10 I run them OK on E5 which is still readily available but this trick might be good if it a problem. |
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Post by widge on Jul 13, 2021 6:55:31 GMT
Little chemistry lesson I spotted on YouTube …..never too old to learn something new ! 😉 Although rather long winded if you need this for a classic car 😳 Very interesting, I must check if my chainsaw and brush cutter are fine with E10 I run them OK on E5 which is still readily available but this trick might be good if it a problem. I have just read this www.stihl.com/e10-gasohol-ethanolgasoline-fuel-mixture.aspx on the still site which says E10 is fine but don't store it for more than 30 days, as it will collect moisture and settle to the bottom of the can. |
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Post by unclebob on Jul 13, 2021 8:46:41 GMT
Very interesting, I must check if my chainsaw and brush cutter are fine with E10 I run them OK on E5 which is still readily available but this trick might be good if it a problem. I have just read this www.stihl.com/e10-gasohol-ethanolgasoline-fuel-mixture.aspx on the still site which says E10 is fine but don't store it for more than 30 days, as it will collect moisture and settle to the bottom of the can. So reading a little more into this, with E10 produce moisture in the bottom of fuel tanks on cars not used regular ? |
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Post by davrav on Jul 13, 2021 9:00:04 GMT
So reading a little more into this, with E10 produce moisture in the bottom of fuel tanks on cars not used regular ? Yes Bob. Ethanol is hygroscopic so the more of it in the petrol, the more water absorbed. There are several 'fuel stabilisers' available but they are quite costly. |
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Post by Ravasher on Jul 13, 2021 9:03:42 GMT
So reading a little more into this, with E10 produce moisture in the bottom of fuel tanks on cars not used regular ? Thankfully the fuel lines have been replaced on the Cortina but the bit about it sitting at the bottom is worrying as the car isn’t going to be used much and will probably spend the winter months in the garage. |
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Post by unclebob on Jul 13, 2021 9:45:44 GMT
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Post by widge on Jul 13, 2021 9:46:59 GMT
So reading a little more into this, with E10 produce moisture in the bottom of fuel tanks on cars not used regular ? Thankfully the fuel lines have been replaced on the Cortina but the bit about it sitting at the bottom is worrying as the car isn’t going to be used much and will probably spend the winter months in the garage. ust wondering what the situation is with my car, we don't use it a great deal it is often sat for several days between uses, and it can be two or three weeks between tank fills. Bear in mind that I am using E85 85% ethanol. Hopefully there is enough slopping around while driving that most of the moisture feeds through the system. I have been using it for the last 4 years and not particularly noticed a problem. |
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Post by unclebob on Jul 13, 2021 9:47:44 GMT
So reading a little more into this, with E10 produce moisture in the bottom of fuel tanks on cars not used regular ? Yes Bob. Ethanol is hygroscopic so the more of it in the petrol, the more water absorbed. There are several 'fuel stabilisers' available but they are quite costly. Think for me super unleaded is all I can do to prevent the moisture build up ☹️ |
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Post by unclebob on Jul 13, 2021 9:48:48 GMT
Thankfully the fuel lines have been replaced on the Cortina but the bit about it sitting at the bottom is worrying as the car isn’t going to be used much and will probably spend the winter months in the garage. ust wondering what the situation is with my car, we don't use it a great deal it is often sat for several days between uses, and it can be two or three weeks between tank fills. Bear in mind that I am using E85 85% ethanol. Hopefully there is enough slopping around while driving that most of the moisture feeds through the system. I have been using it for the last 4 years and not particularly noticed a problem. Use more unmade roads to shake the fuel up ! 😉😉 |
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Post by widge on Jul 13, 2021 9:55:28 GMT
ust wondering what the situation is with my car, we don't use it a great deal it is often sat for several days between uses, and it can be two or three weeks between tank fills. Bear in mind that I am using E85 85% ethanol. Hopefully there is enough slopping around while driving that most of the moisture feeds through the system. I have been using it for the last 4 years and not particularly noticed a problem. Use more unmade roads to shake the fuel up ! 😉😉 But that would mean moving back to the UK🤔 |
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