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Post by bigkev on Feb 3, 2021 23:04:45 GMT
Cheers Jamesy......ordered up twa.........if they don’t work, I have your address...... |
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Post by Ravasher on Feb 3, 2021 23:35:24 GMT
Had this with the Yaris. Turned out to be water in the spare wheel well. Had to replace the n/s rear light cluster rubber seal. Seems to have solved it. Will give them a call again in the morning see what they say. Probably get promised a call back but won’t get anything. |
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Post by unclebob on Feb 4, 2021 10:10:44 GMT
Had this with the Yaris. Turned out to be water in the spare wheel well. Had to replace the n/s rear light cluster rubber seal. Seems to have solved it. Good inspection of floor carpets, boot area and sunroof for damp or water is the best way forward....although my daughter’s Aygo is bone dry inside yet the screen in covered in condensation in the colder weather.....maybe moisture traps is the way to go 😕 |
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Post by Ravasher on Feb 4, 2021 12:48:50 GMT
Had this with the Yaris. Turned out to be water in the spare wheel well. Had to replace the n/s rear light cluster rubber seal. Seems to have solved it. Good inspection of floor carpets, boot area and sunroof for damp or water is the best way forward....although my daughter’s Aygo is bone dry inside yet the screen in covered in condensation in the colder weather.....maybe moisture traps is the way to go 😕 That wa a the first thing we checked. It’s really weird. Still not a had a call back 😔 |
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Post by Ravasher on Feb 5, 2021 10:14:31 GMT
Had a call back a few minutes ago booked in for next Friday. The best bit and this is from the guy who called me back “the car will go on a diagnostics and if no fault is found I will be charged” where the hell are these people being employed from? Not sure how the diagnostics is going to have a frozen screen stored in its memory 🤣🤣
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Post by firemac on Feb 5, 2021 11:19:29 GMT
Had a call back a few minutes ago booked in for next Friday. The best bit and this is from the guy who called me back “the car will go on a diagnostics and if no fault is found I will be charged” where the hell are these people being employed from? Not sure how the diagnostics is going to have a frozen screen stored in its memory 🤣🤣 Probably a bloody "Technician". Does everything according to a process chart and only understands problems when they are presented to him on a computer screen. Fewer and fewer real mechanics left these days. :no: |
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Post by firemac on Feb 5, 2021 11:21:23 GMT
Might be a daft suggestion but would it be worth speaking to a good local body shop, preferably independent? They may have come across problems like this before and maybe even on the CH-R.
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Post by davrav on Feb 5, 2021 11:54:23 GMT
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Post by three5 on Feb 5, 2021 11:57:16 GMT
Maybe the Kitchen Roll method might be accurate enough in this case David? |
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Post by Ravasher on Feb 5, 2021 12:30:31 GMT
Might be a daft suggestion but would it be worth speaking to a good local body shop, preferably independent? They may have come across problems like this before and maybe even on the CH-R. I’ve read some of the posts to the link Philip posted and it does sound like there is an issue. Will be interesting to see how they resolve this. They said they’ve never heard of a navigation screen steaming up and “impossible” so looks like there’s going to be a lot of going back and forth with this one. |
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Post by Ravasher on Feb 5, 2021 12:30:55 GMT
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Post by shcm on Feb 5, 2021 20:23:13 GMT
They said they’ve never heard of a navigation screen steaming up and “impossible” so looks like there’s going to be a lot of going back and forth with this one. Rot. Toyota have completely sealed the navigation screen (in an atmosphere free of water vapour), from the rest of the vehicle interior atmosphere have they? Yeah right! The following is probably blindingly obvious, but I'll write it anyway. Ash, I'm almost certain the screen, in its enclosure, will be slightly warmer than the rest of the vehicle interior, while the vehicle is in normal use. After the vehicle has been used, I would expect the screen internals cool down at a different rate to the vehicle interior. It's then just like condensation on old single glazed windows. Water vapour content in the warmer air inside the screen housing, condenses again the cooler screen surface. I'm fairly certain I've seen a similar situation with instrument packs on the odd occasion. However, I would have thought, the question is why is the water vapour content in the air inside the vehicle high enough anyway, to cause all of that condensation (and then icing after the condensation freezes), when the air conditioning is supposed to have removed most of the water vapour content from the air? Well, I guess the air con IS doing that while the vehicle is in use. After the journey, the air inside the car will continue to be warm for a bit and I suppose, for a while, evaporation will continue to take place from anything that's damp. Like mats, as others have suggested. Then the vapour condenses against a colder windscreen. I do also wonder about any moisture that might be around the air-conditioning condenser. Will that also act as a evaporation source into the cabin for a while, after the journey has ended? Is there even a significant amount of water there? Shouldn't it have gone down the drain tube? Dunno! Do you use the hevac (heating/ventilation/aircon) on "auto" all the time? As an experiment, can I suggest trying switching off the aircon and use no re-circ with lots of warm air, 5 to 10 minutes before the end of your journey. i.e. get the condenser thoroughly dried out and give the hevac time to replace the cabin air. I guess you might possibly have problems with the windscreen steaming up at this point or maybe not. Maybe also check the aircon drain tube is totally clear? Then, there's the vents to expel air at the rear of the vehicle, that are usually hidden, but you'd expect those to be clear. Also another daft suggestion is what is the state of the pollen filter? Maybe it's ****, I dunno, but surely you can only have that amount of condensate, by the water vapour being in the air in the first place. It has to come from somewhere. |
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Post by davidwilson on Feb 5, 2021 21:09:06 GMT
Unacceptable really to be told that what you see and photograph is impossible.
I have seen condensation inside my display in the CRV which was annoying but it disappeared and so didn't concern me.
Honestly this reminds me of the attitude of the receptionist at my Honda dealer - arrogant, aggressive and in need of training. I won't be going there again.
I hope you get things sorted Ash.
My brother in law went from being an ambassador for Jaguar to a disillusioned customer who changed brands all due to poor customer relations.
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Post by three5 on Feb 5, 2021 21:32:34 GMT
They said they’ve never heard of a navigation screen steaming up and “impossible” so looks like there’s going to be a lot of going back and forth with this one. Rot. Toyota have completely sealed the navigation screen (in an atmosphere free of water vapour), from the rest of the vehicle interior atmosphere have they? Yeah right! The following is probably blindingly obvious, but I'll write it anyway. Ash, I'm almost certain the screen, in its enclosure, will be slightly warmer than the rest of the vehicle interior, while the vehicle is in normal use. After the vehicle has been used, I would expect the screen internals cool down at a different rate to the vehicle interior. It's then just like condensation on old single glazed windows. Water vapour content in the warmer air inside the screen housing, condenses again the cooler screen surface. I'm fairly certain I've seen a similar situation with instrument packs on the odd occasion. However, I would have thought, the question is why is the water vapour content in the air inside the vehicle high enough anyway, to cause all of that condensation (and then icing after the condensation freezes), when the air conditioning is supposed to have removed most of the water vapour content from the air? Well, I guess the air con IS doing that while the vehicle is in use. After the journey, the air inside the car will continue to be warm for a bit and I suppose, for a while, evaporation will continue to take place from anything that's damp. Like mats, as others have suggested. Then the vapour condenses against a colder windscreen. I do also wonder about any moisture that might be around the air-conditioning condenser. Will that also act as a evaporation source into the cabin for a while, after the journey has ended? Is there even a significant amount of water there? Shouldn't it have gone down the drain tube? Dunno! Do you use the hevac (heating/ventilation/aircon) on "auto" all the time? As an experiment, can I suggest trying switching off the aircon and use no re-circ with lots of warm air, 5 to 10 minutes before the end of your journey. i.e. get the condenser thoroughly dried out and give the hevac time to replace the cabin air. I guess you might possibly have problems with the windscreen steaming up at this point or maybe not. Maybe also check the aircon drain tube is totally clear? Then, there's the vents to expel air at the rear of the vehicle, that are usually hidden, but you'd expect those to be clear. Also another daft suggestion is what is the state of the pollen filter? Maybe it's ****, I dunno, but surely you can only have that amount of condensate, by the water vapour being in the air in the first place. It has to come from somewhere. +1 for the drain tube Andy! I think that is the first thing to check and maybe check where the vehicle has stood on a dry surface to see if there has been any water discharge from the drain tube. Mine always seems to leave a wet patch where it has stood after a journey. |
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Post by Ravasher on Feb 5, 2021 23:21:14 GMT
They said they’ve never heard of a navigation screen steaming up and “impossible” so looks like there’s going to be a lot of going back and forth with this one. Rot. Toyota have completely sealed the navigation screen (in an atmosphere free of water vapour), from the rest of the vehicle interior atmosphere have they? Yeah right! The following is probably blindingly obvious, but I'll write it anyway. Ash, I'm almost certain the screen, in its enclosure, will be slightly warmer than the rest of the vehicle interior, while the vehicle is in normal use. After the vehicle has been used, I would expect the screen internals cool down at a different rate to the vehicle interior. It's then just like condensation on old single glazed windows. Water vapour content in the warmer air inside the screen housing, condenses again the cooler screen surface. I'm fairly certain I've seen a similar situation with instrument packs on the odd occasion. However, I would have thought, the question is why is the water vapour content in the air inside the vehicle high enough anyway, to cause all of that condensation (and then icing after the condensation freezes), when the air conditioning is supposed to have removed most of the water vapour content from the air? Well, I guess the air con IS doing that while the vehicle is in use. After the journey, the air inside the car will continue to be warm for a bit and I suppose, for a while, evaporation will continue to take place from anything that's damp. Like mats, as others have suggested. Then the vapour condenses against a colder windscreen. I do also wonder about any moisture that might be around the air-conditioning condenser. Will that also act as a evaporation source into the cabin for a while, after the journey has ended? Is there even a significant amount of water there? Shouldn't it have gone down the drain tube? Dunno! Do you use the hevac (heating/ventilation/aircon) on "auto" all the time? As an experiment, can I suggest trying switching off the aircon and use no re-circ with lots of warm air, 5 to 10 minutes before the end of your journey. i.e. get the condenser thoroughly dried out and give the hevac time to replace the cabin air. I guess you might possibly have problems with the windscreen steaming up at this point or maybe not. Maybe also check the aircon drain tube is totally clear? Then, there's the vents to expel air at the rear of the vehicle, that are usually hidden, but you'd expect those to be clear. Also another daft suggestion is what is the state of the pollen filter? Maybe it's ****, I dunno, but surely you can only have that amount of condensate, by the water vapour being in the air in the first place. It has to come from somewhere. Thanks for your Post Andy I’ve tried this too, switched the air con off and left it in auto mode but it was still the same. You mentioned the drain tube, where would that be? I’ve no idea where that is. I’m assuming the pollen filter would’ve been changed when it was serviced in January as it was the 20K/2 year service but I’ll check the invoice. The screen was steamed up again today and didn’t work so I left it and waited for a couple of hours and went back to start the car up and this time the screen worked as it should and the condensation was gone. Surely I would’ve thought it’s not a good thing having condensation in the screen. Could it not cause damage to the electrics? Whatever’s causing it I do think there’s some sort of issue but what I don’t know. It’s very rare for me to go out when the weathers bad in the C-HR I tend to use the Rav more. Let’s se me this week goes as we’re expecting more bad weather so will try out the heating and air on again. |
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