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Post by unclebob on Feb 1, 2021 15:37:54 GMT
Went out to Rav4 today and the remote control doesn’t unlock the doors, tried the second remote but also wouldn’t unlock the doors. Both the red lights both work on both handsets, so in locked the door with the key and the alarm went off but couldn’t shut the alarm off because the central locking can’t be turned off ...what a pain ! Replaced both batteries in both hands it’s just to prove the point but has made no difference central locking does not work and I can’t turn the alarm off.
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Post by shcm on Feb 1, 2021 15:54:07 GMT
Try the fob as close as you can get it to the remote locking receiver, which I *think* (need to check for 4.2), if I remember correctly, is around the nearside D post.
(Just to try and eliminate any 434MHz interference that may have popped up in your location).
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Post by unclebob on Feb 1, 2021 16:06:36 GMT
Try the fob as close as you can get it to the remote locking receiver, which I *think* (need to check for 4.2), if I remember correctly, is around the nearside D post. (Just to try and eliminate any 434MHz interference that may have popped up in your location). Hello Andy, thanks for the prompt reply ....been out to the RAV4 again and the remote key only works by the passanger door handle and must be almost touching it .
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Post by shcm on Feb 1, 2021 16:45:13 GMT
Well, fairly certain now the receiver is between what I suppose is the B and C post on yours? Anyway the rear glass on the nearside. Under the trim there. You're fairly close to it by the passenger door handle anyway. So the chances are 1. The receiver has gone deaf (This is usually least likely) 2. You've got an new interferer somewhere, either intentionally in band (they are allowed, it's a license free bit of the spectrum) or something that's wandered out of band.
For 2:
You or neighbours got anything new recently that's "wireless"? (not wifi, but more like alarm, weather station etc) Anybody else in the street having problems unlocking their car remotely?
You may find it disappears as quickly as it arrived. Or is intermittent (if that's what it is, but it certainly sounds like it has the symptoms of it)
It's easy to see whether that is the problem, *if* you've got the right kit (spectrum analyser or a wideband scanner tuned to 433.92MHz at a push), but it's not the sort of stuff most people have in their shed. (I do and it's not in my shed!).
If others have the problem, Ofcom will usually help track the source down.
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fireballbob
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Primary Vehicle: RAV4
Year: 2011
Model Spec/Trim: 4.3.5
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Fuel Type: Diesel
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Drive Type: 4WD/AWD
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Post by fireballbob on Feb 1, 2021 16:52:52 GMT
I had a problem with mine a couple of years ago. fobs seemed to not be working. pressing lock unlock buttons very close to drivers door eventually opened and started. i drove to the local dealer to replace batteries and as soon as i got there i realised operating as normal. replaced batteries anyway got home and same problem. The problem clearly local to my house. i rang dealer who said may be local interference. asked if i had any utilities vehicles working locally??. whatever it was it sorted itself out. same problem when a builders delivery lorry was unloading gear from his lorry with a hoist opposite me . it was remote wireless operated and again stopped my fob working. hope it is ok.
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Post by unclebob on Feb 1, 2021 17:01:49 GMT
So unlocking the RAV4 from the passanger side of the car, I started it up and took it out for a drive . Parked up and was able to lock the car from some distance from all sides😠 .....what’s going on with the signal been blocked/interrupted on my drive ? Side note...Peugeot Rifter and Renault master vans both unlock as normal 🤔🤔
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Post by shcm on Feb 1, 2021 17:17:50 GMT
Side note...Peugeot Rifter and Renault master vans both unlock as normal 🤔🤔 I can give you a few explanations for that, but I suspect you wouldn't thank me. However, it does tend to suggest it is something that's very low TX power, but fairly close to the RAV, causing the problem (but this is finger in the air, remote diagnosis and prone to error). Anything wireless in the house or garden that might be close to needing its battery changed? (I know that might sound wrong, but transmitters can do some odd things frequency-wise as their supply voltage drops - especially if it's a cheap/bad design).
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Post by three5 on Feb 1, 2021 17:28:43 GMT
I had a similar problem with my 4.3. Parked it in the usual place at my local school and locked it up with no problem. Came to go home at 21.15 and the doors wouldn't open. Eventually got it to open with the fob adjacent to the passenger lock. A colleague who was at the same event had a Saab parked next to me. He ended up leaving his overnight and calling the AA. It turned out that they had recently extended the building security system using wireless. We proved it was the problem next morning when everything worked perfectly after the building alarm system was turned off. It was a long time ago, but I think it was Andy who pointed us in the right direction on that occasion as well.
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Post by unclebob on Feb 1, 2021 18:50:49 GMT
Side note...Peugeot Rifter and Renault master vans both unlock as normal 🤔🤔 I can give you a few explanations for that, but I suspect you wouldn't thank me. However, it does tend to suggest it is something that's very low TX power, but fairly close to the RAV, causing the problem (but this is finger in the air, remote diagnosis and prone to error). Anything wireless in the house or garden that might be close to needing its battery changed? (I know that might sound wrong, but transmitters can do some odd things frequency-wise as their supply voltage drops - especially if it's a cheap/bad design). Have a weather station in the back garden that’s on the blink ..yet it doesn’t affect the Peugeot or Renault vans . Did think of changing the receiver but no idea if all toyota ones are the same ? www.ebay.co.uk/itm/TOYOTA-RAV4-DOOR-RECIEVER-ECU-MODULE-89741-42151-251300-0060-2-/293595118244thanks for your thoughts Andy 👍🏻
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Post by shcm on Feb 1, 2021 20:04:03 GMT
Knowing Toyota I suspect they are all compatible, but I'd put money my on the fact that you'd be wasting yours by buying one. By driving to another location and having no problems, you've effectively proven there's nothing to gain by swapping it. As far as the vans go, well, not all RF receiver (or transmitter) designs are made equal: 1. For a start, they don't have to be operating on/in the same frequency/band. 868MHz is also available, although most are 434MHz (and also used to be 315MHz and probably still is in US/OZ). The homologation page in the handbook or even the back of the key may tell you. 2. They don't all use the same transmission mode or coding format. Some formats behave better or differently, to some or all type of interference. There's the usual AM v FM argument, but it's not that simple in practice. 3. They don't all have the same local oscillator tolerance over temperature, meaning some have to have a wider front end filter and/or IF filter, meaning they potentially "let in" more interference than others. 4. They don't all have the same front end 1dB compression point and/or the related 3rd order intercept point, which means some will start to misbehave before others, in the presence of the same level of interference. 5. Some are just plain more sensitive than others. That can be a good and bad thing. 6. They don't all "connect" to bit stream decoding software in the ECU that is well engineered. A certain Solihull 4x4 manufacturer had at least a couple of vehicles with questionable things in this area. 7. Compression points (and therefore interference performance) can be improved by using more current in the mixer, but these receivers have to operate on very low current consumption, (or alternatively have some form of duty cycle). 8. Other stuff I've forgotten at the moment. Trust me on this. I have history in having to attempt to put "sticking plasters" on somebody else's, poorly performing, in production, design. Although it was 20 odd years ago and RF silicon has come on beyond all recognition since then. There were from the mid to late nineties, to at least early 2000s, some fair poorly performing designs around, but they are/were designed down to at max a few quid cost, so you can't expect totally robust performance. Most of the time they do quite well, all things considered. I told you, you wouldn't thank me.
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Post by unclebob on Feb 1, 2021 20:50:52 GMT
No no all useful information, if I can open the car at home from n/s door area so be it, and if out and about it works normal 👍🏻 .
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Post by shcm on Feb 1, 2021 21:29:16 GMT
Hopefully Bob, the interference will go, or source be discovered.
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Post by davrav on Feb 1, 2021 22:00:04 GMT
Try changing the batteries in the sender for the remote weather station - or take them out completely if the indoor unit is on the blink anyway.
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Post by unclebob on Feb 1, 2021 22:11:00 GMT
The weather station is down the side of the bungalow and is maybe 20m from the RAV4, and not in sight of each other . By chance the weather stations low battery display has come up but it doesn’t say if it’s the base station or the remote....well unless anyone can make sence of the instructions 🤔 www.clarkeservice.co.uk/manuals/leisure/wcp150.pdfGuess pull all the batteries and see what happens !
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Post by widge on Feb 1, 2021 22:33:35 GMT
So unlocking the RAV4 from the passanger side of the car, I started it up and took it out for a drive . Parked up and was able to lock the car from some distance from all sides😠 .....what’s going on with the signal been blocked/interrupted on my drive ? Side note...Peugeot Rifter and Renault master vans both unlock as normal 🤔🤔 I dont suppose you have had two old coggers with an ancient TV move in nearby by any chance?😃
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