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Post by unclebob on Oct 3, 2020 10:18:48 GMT
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Post by philip42h on Oct 3, 2020 11:21:03 GMT
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Post by charliefarlie on Oct 3, 2020 11:21:51 GMT
More utter crap from governments who haven’t a clue.
Remember which bunch of idiots thought it would be a cracker of an idea to save 600K a year by doing away with tax discs and it’s now costing them tens of millions cos of tax dodgers. Yet they steadfastly refuse to reverse the decision. They were warned by every motoring organisation but wouldn’t listen.
Bob your link says in one place some MX5 can’t run on the new fuel and in another All Mazda cars can ?
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Post by philip42h on Oct 3, 2020 11:31:30 GMT
... and interestingly the Government Proposal is to - introduce E10 petrol as the 95 octane “Premium” grade
- ensure the ongoing availability of E5 petrol in the higher octane “Super” grade only
which does ensure that, in the short term at least, no car gets left behind ...
And, of course, it also means that we can enjoy endless debates on which fuel is better!  |
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Post by philip42h on Oct 3, 2020 11:34:35 GMT
More utter crap from governments who haven’t a clue. Remember which bunch of idiots thought it would be a cracker of an idea to save 600K a year by doing away with tax discs and it’s now costing them tens of millions cos of tax dodgers. Yet they steadfastly refuse to reverse the decision. They were warned by every motoring organisation but wouldn’t listen. Bob your link says in one place some MX5 can’t run on the new fuel and in another All Mazda cars can ? The authoritative list states that: E10 petrol is cleared for use in all models with petrol engines introduced in and from the year 2002, Mazda6 (GG/GY) and models with petrol engines introduced thereafter.The implication of that is that there may well be issues with cars produced prior to 2002 ... |
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Post by philip42h on Oct 3, 2020 11:41:38 GMT
For Toyota, the full wording is: E10 petrol is cleared for use in all Toyota European petrol models made from January 1998, excluding: - Avensis 2.0 litre with engine 1AZ-FSE made between July 2000 and October 2008.
- Avensis 2.4 litre with engine 2AZ-FSE made between June 2003 and October 2008.
So RAV 4.2s and later will be fine. Early 4.1s produced between 1994 and 1998 had better stick with E5 super unleaded ... (And, of course, if you have an import you will remain in the dark for now ...) |
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Post by davrav on Oct 3, 2020 12:26:53 GMT
Good news for the additives companies. I'm sure they will come up with a plethora of wonder elixirs to combat all and any issues actual or perceived :yes:
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Post by unclebob on Oct 3, 2020 12:54:09 GMT
More utter crap from governments who haven’t a clue. Remember which bunch of idiots thought it would be a cracker of an idea to save 600K a year by doing away with tax discs and it’s now costing them tens of millions cos of tax dodgers. Yet they steadfastly refuse to reverse the decision. They were warned by every motoring organisation but wouldn’t listen. Bob your link says in one place some MX5 can’t run on the new fuel and in another All Mazda cars can ? The authoritative list states that: E10 petrol is cleared for use in all models with petrol engines introduced in and from the year 2002, Mazda6 (GG/GY) and models with petrol engines introduced thereafter.The implication of that is that there may well be issues with cars produced prior to 2002 ... That’s how I read 2002 onwards is ok for Mazda models .....what year is your MX5 Charlie ? |
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Post by charliefarlie on Oct 3, 2020 17:02:29 GMT
More utter crap from governments who haven’t a clue. Remember which bunch of idiots thought it would be a cracker of an idea to save 600K a year by doing away with tax discs and it’s now costing them tens of millions cos of tax dodgers. Yet they steadfastly refuse to reverse the decision. They were warned by every motoring organisation but wouldn’t listen. Bob your link says in one place some MX5 can’t run on the new fuel and in another All Mazda cars can ? The authoritative list states that: E10 petrol is cleared for use in all models with petrol engines introduced in and from the year 2002, Mazda6 (GG/GY) and models with petrol engines introduced thereafter.The implication of that is that there may well be issues with cars produced prior to 2002 ... Thanks Phillip.... I see that now 🤪 I wonder which MX5s will be affected then. Excluding of course those built before 2002.... I always add additives to our cars anyway both petrol and diesel. I find it cheaper than buying posh fuels and know that it’s actually in there. I did both the RAV4 and the wee IQ this morning. Runs on fumes you know the wee IQ does 👍👍 |
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Post by charliefarlie on Oct 3, 2020 17:06:54 GMT
The authoritative list states that: E10 petrol is cleared for use in all models with petrol engines introduced in and from the year 2002, Mazda6 (GG/GY) and models with petrol engines introduced thereafter.The implication of that is that there may well be issues with cars produced prior to 2002 ... That’s how I read 2002 onwards is ok for Mazda models .....what year is your MX5 Charlie ? 57 Plate 2008 Bob.... Still on 56 something thousand miles. Not even put 700 miles on that car yet 😂😂😂  |
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Post by Mb2t on Oct 3, 2020 19:47:16 GMT
Phew, our red Corolla is registered 11/1999, so according to that doc it should be OK.
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Post by widge on Oct 14, 2020 6:28:31 GMT
I have a petrol 4.2.2 and I have been running it fine for the last few years on E85 (available here in France) although i did have to install a module to automaticly adjust the injection timing for 120€ so i would imagine it should run on E10 without any conversation with no problem, E10 has been available here for about 15 years and i ran my year 2000 scenic on it fine, when i looked into it at the time it appeared that one of the main problems with older vehicles was not that the engine wouldn't run properly but more to do with certain materials used for seals in the fuel system on older vehicles could degrade due to the ethanol. Dave |
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Post by unclebob on Oct 14, 2020 10:08:15 GMT
Yes rubber seals and hoses can degrade with E10...could kill off the british classic cars unless they splash out on E10 friendly fuel systems .
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Post by davrav on Oct 14, 2020 11:36:55 GMT
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Post by philip42h on Oct 14, 2020 13:09:19 GMT
Not that interesting ...  ... it relates to the US and is as factually accurate as The Donald himself!  Modern cars are designed to run on E10 and have been doing so across Europe for many years. In the UK you can't get "octane ratings from 87 (lowest), 89 (midgrade), and 91 or 92 (premium)" - our choice is limited to 95 or 97 (AFAIK); we don't get American rubbish. And, if you do have a classic car to run, E5 fuel will continue to be available ... probably for as long as petrol is!!!! |
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... it relates to the US and is as factually accurate as The Donald himself!