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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2020 9:10:25 GMT
Red Bull's engine partner Honda is to leave Formula 1 at the end of 2021. The move leaves Red Bull and Alpha Tauri needing to find an engine supplier and the sport with just three engine companies. Honda said the move was a result of the transformation of the car industry away from internal combustion engines. They are pursuing "carbon neutrality by 2050" through "future power-unit and energy technologies, including fuel-cell vehicle and battery technologies".
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Post by three5 on Oct 2, 2020 10:09:13 GMT
Red Bull's engine partner Honda is to leave Formula 1 at the end of 2021. The move leaves Red Bull and Alpha Tauri needing to find an engine supplier and the sport with just three engine companies. Honda said the move was a result of the transformation of the car industry away from internal combustion engines. They are pursuing "carbon neutrality by 2050" through "future power-unit and energy technologies, including fuel-cell vehicle and battery technologies".
Can't see Renault taking them on again after their last try. |
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Post by philip42h on Oct 2, 2020 10:28:31 GMT
So, does that leave us with a Ferrari powered Red Bull?
Or will someone else enter the fray?
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Post by three5 on Oct 2, 2020 11:52:20 GMT
So, does that leave us with a Ferrari powered Red Bull? Or will someone else enter the fray? Well I can't see Mercedes taking on another team and would Red Bull want a Ferrari engine at the moment? Could this be the end of Red Bull Racing? I'm not convinced that F1 in it's current form has a long term future - maybe 4 or 5 years. Bernie was a wiley old bird and I do wonder if he saw the future more clearly than anyone else.
Maybe we could have a human powered car with a team of passengers providing the power? It is probably a nearer match with the long term future of transport than IC or Hybrid.
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Post by unclebob on Oct 2, 2020 11:59:48 GMT
Maybe they could go electric and have battery packs to replace like when they used to do refuelling..that might work 🤔
RedBull have definitely shot themselves in the foot if they think Renault gonna want them back !
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Post by Hoovie on Oct 2, 2020 13:14:30 GMT
Gawd, just as it was coming good.
I wonder if they are withdrawing from Indycar as well? they are probably the dominant engine supplier in that series.
I don't know which current engine supplier would want to supply Red Bull? They probably have the best car and would likely be beating Mercedes if they had the Mercedes engine fitted in the back.
Could be interesting though as be a good fight between Max and Lewis.
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Post by three5 on Oct 2, 2020 14:18:33 GMT
I'm not sure that Mercedes would be very interested in engine(ering) ( Ahhhhhh! - I'm getting like BigKev and Charlie! ) a battle between LH and MV Hoovie. What would be in it for them? With Renault improving and getting some good drivers in their cars, a battle between two Mercedes powered teams could end up meaning that they didn't win anything. Can't see Honda continuing in Indycar either. I do wonder if Toto can see the end and is looking out for his next job. If Mercedes leave F1, how can it survive?  |
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Post by philip42h on Oct 2, 2020 14:41:43 GMT
Analysis on formula1.com suggests that, under the rules, Renault are obliged to supply Red Bull with engines should RB require them ... and that both Mercedes and Ferrari have previously declined to supply RB with engines. I really can't see Mercedes wanting to provide Adrian Newey with the strongest engine on the grid! |
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Post by unclebob on Oct 3, 2020 10:01:11 GMT
Interesting ......
" Honda said the decision had been made because the automobile industry was going through a "once-in-one-hundred-years period of great transformation" and that they'll leave having been "able to attain its goal of earning victories".
"Honda will work together with Red Bull Racing and Scuderia AlphaTauri to continue competing with its utmost effort and strive for more victories all the way to the end of the 2021 season," the Japanese company added in a statement.
The decision will leave Formula 1 with three power unit suppliers – Mercedes, Ferrari and Renault. Under the current rules, Renault would be obliged to supply Red Bull and AlphaTauri with engines as they currently have the fewest customers, unless the teams can convince Mercedes or Ferrari to provide a supply.
Red Bull – on behalf of both their works team and AlphaTauri – have recently committed to the new Concorde Agreement, which binds them to the championship until the end of 2025.
"We look forward to embarking on a new era of innovation, development and success," said Red Bull boss Christian Horner, who said he understood and respected Honda's decision.
"As a group, we will now take the time afforded to us to further evaluate and find the most competitive power unit solution for 2022 and beyond.”
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Post by Hoovie on Oct 3, 2020 19:58:26 GMT
Maybe they could go electric and have battery packs to replace like when they used to do refuelling..that might work 🤔 .... You are describing the first few series of Formula E there - except in FE, they replaced the cars half way through instead of replacing the battery packs (safety thing due to the high voltage of the packs). |
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Post by phaeton on Oct 5, 2020 14:40:21 GMT
The beginning of the end
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Post by clarki on Oct 5, 2020 20:24:54 GMT
Maybe they could go electric and have battery packs to replace like when they used to do refuelling..that might work 🤔 .... You are describing the first few series of Formula E there - except in FE, they replaced the cars half way through instead of replacing the battery packs (safety thing due to the high voltage of the packs). I always enjoyed the car change bit. Wonder if honda will head for Formula E - all the big manufacturers seem to be getting involved now. |
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Post by charliefarlie on Oct 10, 2020 18:28:20 GMT
Interesting interview with Christian Horner on the engine topic after qualifying today. He said the expense of engines is way to high plus the sounds are not right. His quote was it’s like going to a rock concert with the sounds turned down.....
Exactly the points I made on the F1 soundtrack when the hybrid engines were introduced. Many including me have not been to a circuit since the “ quiet” generation of cars came out. Anyone who like me was fortunate enough to be trackside when the V8 and V10 cars were racing still mourn the fantastic soundtracks that were so so much of the atmosphere that was F1 racing.
I haven’t been since the cars sound like hoovers and won’t go again. 👍
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2020 6:22:21 GMT
Dr Helmut Marko says Red Bull’s preferred solution for 2022 is to take over the intellectual property
of Honda’s power unit and go it alone as a works engine supplier.“All the manufacturers have their own team and build the chassis and the engine together,” he told Sport1.
“We get the engine and have to build our chassis around it.
“That’s why we favour the Honda solution. But for that, some parameters are required – such as frozen engine
regulations from 2022.”
Marko said Red Bull will therefore commence talks not only with Honda, but with F1’s authorities.www.gptours.com/gr_news/taking-over-honda-engine-is-preferred-solution-marko/
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Post by unclebob on Oct 15, 2020 10:26:24 GMT
Helmut Is the one holding the cheque book but would be a waste of money if the engine regulations change ....... I say eat humble pie and I have Renault engine again 🏁🏁
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