nrg
Club Member
Posts: 35
Primary Vehicle: Toyota Rav4 NRG
Year: 2002
Model Spec/Trim: NRG
Engine Capacity: 2.0
Fuel Type: Petrol
Transmission: Manual
Drive Type: 4WD/AWD
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Post by nrg on Aug 19, 2019 18:25:39 GMT
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Post by phaeton on Aug 19, 2019 21:57:06 GMT
What's the legality?
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Post by shcm on Aug 20, 2019 6:42:32 GMT
"The legality?" - Sounds like it should be a pub in Hendon, or maybe it's just "the bar". 
Assuming there are no later amendments to this version of reg 48:
Then for a start, anything over 2000 lm (para 6.2.9) requires headlamp washers for approval, and these quote 14000lm per set, but I suspect they'd wouldn't meet approval on other grounds (e.g. light source and lens combination meeting regs). No "e" marking mentioned.
Personal opinion on excessive glare headlamps, not meeting approvals, withheld. 
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Post by three5 on Aug 20, 2019 9:43:11 GMT
I've been there with these bulbs. I had a set fitted and they were absolutely brilliant and went through an MOT without a problem. The cut-off was extremely impressive.
Then the MOT rules were updated and more definite checks on the legality, i.e. the E mark, were introduced. At this point I chickened out and replaced the LEDs with Nightbreakers. They are definitely not legal as they won't have an E mark and you could well be wasting your money when they fail an MOT. The latest version of Nightbreakers are very good and are a safer legal option that will sail through an MOT.
It's a pity as the LEDs are excellent lights, but they have to be E marked to be legal. Sorry!
( Just read the official version form SHCM - listen to him, I've never known him wrong!!!!! )
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Post by charliefarlie on Aug 20, 2019 17:30:38 GMT
I've been there with these bulbs. I had a set fitted and they were absolutely brilliant and went through an MOT without a problem. The cut-off was extremely impressive.
Then the MOT rules were updated and more definite checks on the legality, i.e. the E mark, were introduced. At this point I chickened out and replaced the LEDs with Nightbreakers. They are definitely not legal as they won't have an E mark and you could well be wasting your money when they fail an MOT. The latest version of Nightbreakers are very good and are a safer legal option that will sail through an MOT.
It's a pity as the LEDs are excellent lights, but they have to be E marked to be legal. Sorry!
( Just read the official version form SHCM - listen to him, I've never known him wrong!!!!! )
Andy wrong  ? I taught him all he knows you know 👍👍 |
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nrg
Club Member
Posts: 35
Primary Vehicle: Toyota Rav4 NRG
Year: 2002
Model Spec/Trim: NRG
Engine Capacity: 2.0
Fuel Type: Petrol
Transmission: Manual
Drive Type: 4WD/AWD
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Post by nrg on Aug 20, 2019 19:45:22 GMT
I've been there with these bulbs. I had a set fitted and they were absolutely brilliant and went through an MOT without a problem. The cut-off was extremely impressive.
Then the MOT rules were updated and more definite checks on the legality, i.e. the E mark, were introduced. At this point I chickened out and replaced the LEDs with Nightbreakers. They are definitely not legal as they won't have an E mark and you could well be wasting your money when they fail an MOT. The latest version of Nightbreakers are very good and are a safer legal option that will sail through an MOT.
It's a pity as the LEDs are excellent lights, but they have to be E marked to be legal. Sorry!
( Just read the official version form SHCM - listen to him, I've never known him wrong!!!!! )
Andy wrong ? I taught him all he knows you know 👍👍 Did you have them on a rav4? The optical lense is designed to cancel any glare and focus the beam which is the big issue in reflector headlights. That seems to be dealt with by the sounds of it. How was the width of the beam, they look pencil like! For £40 and a H4 drop in I’m sure a swap over once a year won’t hurt |
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Post by charliefarlie on Aug 21, 2019 5:22:01 GMT
Andy wrong  ? I taught him all he knows you know 👍👍 Did you have them on a rav4? The optical lense is designed to cancel any glare and focus the beam which is the big issue in reflector headlights. That seems to be dealt with by the sounds of it. How was the width of the beam, they look pencil like! For £40 and a H4 drop in I’m sure a swap over once a year won’t hurt No not me I’ve never had them 👍👍 |
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Post by shcm on Aug 21, 2019 8:30:52 GMT
( Just read the official version form SHCM - listen to him, I've never known him wrong!!!!! )
Don't bank on it.  Wrong many, many times and I will be again. ................... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ....back to the topic in general....... If there is no evidence of type approval, (e-marking), then no matter how much "hand waving" like justification of parameters of spec is done, they are not "legal" for road use, which was the question. ....yes, this might seem draconian and pointless, but the people that attend the UN forums that draw these regs up (they are primarily UN regs in this case, under EU/UK law) generally know what they are doing, for good reason, most of the time. I've known people in the past that have attended (in other auto topics). ...of course the choice and any consequences that might arise, are yours. |
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? I taught him all he knows you know 👍👍