|
|
Post by philip42h on Jan 23, 2024 11:24:41 GMT
If you are in the market for a passenger car, I believe the case for the 'hybrid' has been made - so much so that there are no longer that many pure ICE vehicles been made. In this context a 'hybrid' is simply a fossil fueled car in which the ICE drives the wheels and has some degree of 'electrification' to for energy recovery and to make the fuel go further. The Toyota hybrid is possibly the best example of such cars and the system has been proven for over 25 years and 5 generations - it's hardly 'new age' at all!
Ditching the ICE-drive and going pure EV is a far more open question. The batteries tend to become rather large before they can provide any respectable range and even then fall well short of the range offered by a tankful of petrol.Even so, it is perfectly possible to get an EV with a real range of 100 - 150 - 200 miles which is more than enough for the 90% of the journeys undertaken by 90% of the people (statistics entirely made up but probably not too far wide of the mark). And on that basis, I suspect that my next car will be an EV - though I still don't know when that will be!
To Jim's point above, we will probably never get to the point where it is as easy to refuel an EV as it currently is to fill the tank with petrol - we are going to have to adjust our expectation and adapt our driving habits (or take the train!). I'd be 'happy' if I could tank down the motorway for 2 hours, so 100 - 150 miles, and then stop for 30 minutes to take on another 150 miles worth of charge. The bZ4X AWD will do that for me (just) so long as I can find an available and working 150 kW DC charger in the right place - there are better EVs than the bZ4X in that respect.
So, there are two real issues: first people's expectations and, second, an adequate and reliable charging infrastructure ...
|
|
|
|
Post by charliefarlie on Jan 23, 2024 14:37:23 GMT
They do a GR sport hybrid in the Yaris range which in the sub two year old sector isn’t that much more than the Excel sometimes a bit less. But it’s wheels are big and tyres low profile which on our roads is an uncomfortable combination. I’m looking at the design which is mid level but has all the kit we want and smaller wheels. Herefordshires roads are truly atrocious…. The hybrid Landcruiser is going to be mad money and the old ones are mad money and that’s if you can even find anything worth looking at. Cars older than the one I’ve got with 100K miles and huge prices don’t appeal. 👍👍 "GR Sport" is the new name for "Dynamic". Basically it's the Design with sportier trim and styling. The "Excel" is the Design with more toys and comfort. There is no longer a "top of the range" model as such ... Thanks I didn't know that... I did notice the Dynamic but had little idea where it fell in the range apart near the top. I guess the GR badge will have appeal to a lot who like the full fat GR 4WD car. That apparently is a bit of a weapon. nearly 300BHP from its 3 cylinder 1.6 litre engine . I know it has a turbo but is it Hybrid ? Suppose it must be given Toyotas pledge not to build any more ICE engine d cars .. |
|
|
|
Post by davidwilson on Jan 23, 2024 14:42:55 GMT
"GR Sport" is the new name for "Dynamic". Basically it's the Design with sportier trim and styling. The "Excel" is the Design with more toys and comfort. There is no longer a "top of the range" model as such ... Thanks I didn't know that... I did notice the Dynamic but had little idea where it fell in the range apart near the top. I guess the GR badge will have appeal to a lot who like the full fat GR 4WD car. That apparently is a bit of a weapon. nearly 300BHP from its 3 cylinder 1.6 litre engine . I know it has a turbo but is it Hybrid ? Suppose it must be given Toyotas pledge not to build any more ICE engine d cars .. The Aygo X is recently introduced and has a petrol ICE rather than a hybrid. |
|
|
|
Post by philip42h on Jan 23, 2024 15:15:46 GMT
Thanks I didn't know that... I did notice the Dynamic but had little idea where it fell in the range apart near the top. I guess the GR badge will have appeal to a lot who like the full fat GR 4WD car. That apparently is a bit of a weapon. nearly 300BHP from its 3 cylinder 1.6 litre engine . I know it has a turbo but is it Hybrid ? Suppose it must be given Toyotas pledge not to build any more ICE engine d cars .. The Aygo X is recently introduced and has a petrol ICE rather than a hybrid. The GR Yaris, 257 bhp (from £32k) is a 1.6L turbo petrol (not a hybrid). IIRC it was designed for the track and sold to the public to make it track legal - or something like that - so it exists somewhere outside the normal 'rules' The Yaris GR-Sport, 130 bhp (from £28k) is a 1.5L hybrid. Probably best not to confused the two ... ! But it's clear that Toyta are exploiting the "GR" monika to make things sound 'sporty'. And the Aygo is pure petrol. It's probably too small and not cost effective to make the Aygo a hybrid - i.e. what you'd gain from being a hybrid, you'd lose from the extra weight. |
|
|
|
Post by charliefarlie on Jan 23, 2024 17:11:59 GMT
The Yaris GR can easily be taken well over 300BHP….It is a Homologation car but if it’s not hybrid like the Aygo X then Toyota tell porkies… I didn’t know about the Aygo X I thought it was a hybrid. But then Toyota sell the Hilux with a big dirty diesel so we know when we’re being fed hot air. I’m not sure what engine is currently in the Landcruiser or even if we can buy a new one in this country right now. Id have a fair bet they’re selling them elsewhere in the world though which makes a mockery of us not being allowed some models.
But we’re moving hopefully forward.
|
|
|
|
Post by philip42h on Jan 23, 2024 18:29:56 GMT
The Yaris GR can easily be taken well over 300BHP….It is a Homologation car but if it’s not hybrid like the Aygo X then Toyota tell porkies… I didn’t know about the Aygo X I thought it was a hybrid. But then Toyota sell the Hilux with a big dirty diesel so we know when we’re being fed hot air. I’m not sure what engine is currently in the Landcruiser or even if we can buy a new one in this country right now. Id have a fair bet they’re selling them elsewhere in the world though which makes a mockery of us not being allowed some models. But we’re moving hopefully forward. I can't now find a quote on that subject from from Toyota, Toyota Europe or Toyota UK ... Back in 2018 the motoring media stated: "Johan van Zyl, president and chief executive officer of Toyota Motor Europe told journalists: ‘Toyota will stop selling diesel passenger cars in all European markets by the end of this year.'" and "Toyota will continue to offer diesel engines in commercial vehicles – such as Hilux, Proace and Land Cruiser – to meet customer needs." Johan van Zyl then retired in March 2021, returned to South Africa and died in July 2021 ... but, nevertheless, Toyota have replaced "diesel passenger cars" with "petrol and hybrid passenger cars" and continue "to offer offer diesel engines in commercial vehicles – such as Hilux, Proace and Land Cruiser" - though one can now get fully electric versions of the Proace as well. I don't believe Toyota has ever committed to phasing out petrol powered cars - doing so would kill their hybrid line-up - and they are still being very slow to define their EV lineup beyond the bZ4X ... The Aygo, GR Yaris and GR Supra are straight petrol powered cars. The Landcruiser isn't available in the UK right now (not on the price list), but it is on the website ( Coming Soon) and in the Mag. Allegedly it will be available as a 2.8 diesel in 2024 and with a 48V electrified mild hybrid version of that same engine in 2025. (I guess that it will cost at least two arms and two legs ...) |
|
|
|
Post by charliefarlie on Jan 23, 2024 18:56:11 GMT
The Yaris GR can easily be taken well over 300BHP….It is a Homologation car but if it’s not hybrid like the Aygo X then Toyota tell porkies… I didn’t know about the Aygo X I thought it was a hybrid. But then Toyota sell the Hilux with a big dirty diesel so we know when we’re being fed hot air. I’m not sure what engine is currently in the Landcruiser or even if we can buy a new one in this country right now. Id have a fair bet they’re selling them elsewhere in the world though which makes a mockery of us not being allowed some models. But we’re moving hopefully forward. I can't now find a quote on that subject from from Toyota, Toyota Europe or Toyota UK ... Back in 2018 the motoring media stated: "Johan van Zyl, president and chief executive officer of Toyota Motor Europe told journalists: ‘Toyota will stop selling diesel passenger cars in all European markets by the end of this year.'" and "Toyota will continue to offer diesel engines in commercial vehicles – such as Hilux, Proace and Land Cruiser – to meet customer needs." Johan van Zyl then retired in March 2021, returned to South Africa and died in July 2021 ... but, nevertheless, Toyota have replaced "diesel passenger cars" with "petrol and hybrid passenger cars" and continue "to offer offer diesel engines in commercial vehicles – such as Hilux, Proace and Land Cruiser" - though one can now get fully electric versions of the Proace as well. I don't believe Toyota has ever committed to phasing out petrol powered cars - doing so would kill their hybrid line-up - and they are still being very slow to define their EV lineup beyond the bZ4X ... The Aygo, GR Yaris and GR Supra are straight petrol powered cars. The Landcruiser isn't available in the UK right now (not on the price list), but it is on the website ( Coming Soon) and in the Mag. Allegedly it will be available as a 2.8 diesel in 2024 and with a 48V electrified mild hybrid version of that same engine in 2025. (I guess that it will cost at least two arms and two legs ...) My understanding which is probably wrong was that Toyota were no longer to build ICE car. Hybrids were and are cleaner by design which is fair enough…. IF we’re to take this climate change seriously which is almost impossible in this very volatile world the hybrids need to go further with diesels phased out altogether. But it’s never going to happen at least in our lifetimes, Ive altered the way I look at climate change slightly. Our seasons are changing just as they have been for the last 15 years that I’ve noticed. But it’s changing very fast now. Last summer was so wet it was more like winter. I was mowing wet grass cos it never dried out, Now we have storms every few weeks if not more. Is it too late ? I mean car manufacturers are hardly taking it seriously if they are still building diesel engined vehicles no matter what they are….. |
|
|
|
Post by stewpot on Jan 23, 2024 20:21:33 GMT
I am just going to wait for one of these, and a lottery 🏆
|
|
ravjeff
Club Regular
Posts: 754
Location: New Zealand
Primary Vehicle: RAV4
Model Spec/Trim: GLX
Engine Capacity: 2.5L
Fuel Type: Petrol
Transmission: Automatic
Drive Type: 4WD/AWD
|
Post by ravjeff on Jan 23, 2024 23:56:55 GMT
|
|
ravjeff
Club Regular
Posts: 754
Location: New Zealand
Primary Vehicle: RAV4
Model Spec/Trim: GLX
Engine Capacity: 2.5L
Fuel Type: Petrol
Transmission: Automatic
Drive Type: 4WD/AWD
|
Post by ravjeff on Jan 24, 2024 2:21:51 GMT
Oh dear not only Ford but Freightliner as well.
|
|
|
|
Post by firemac on Jan 24, 2024 13:38:47 GMT
I can’t help thinking that BEVs will turn out to be the Betamax of the motoring world. 😂
|
|
|
|
Post by davidwilson on Jan 24, 2024 16:58:36 GMT
I owned a Prius for a year or two in 2009. I had no problems with it and the fuel consumption was very good. It had a 1.5 litre petrol engine, in top spec, and was I think the second generation. The next generation had a 1.8 litre engine and was even better. I have driven a few Toyota and Honda hybrids since and they just get better. My plan keeps changing but I do like our non hybrid CRV with it's 2 litre VTEC petrol engine and torque converter transmission so hope to keep that and add a new or newish Honda Jazz, that is a petrol hybrid, to it when funds allow.
|
|
|
|
Post by anchorman on Jan 24, 2024 20:00:59 GMT
I’m running a Lexus UX250h AWD. It’s got the 4th gen hybrid powertrain with the NiMh battery. Smooth as silk with the 2.0 petrol engine.
Can we upload photos directly or is it still through a host?
|
|
|
|
Post by charliefarlie on Jan 24, 2024 20:51:08 GMT
I’m running a Lexus UX250h AWD. It’s got the 4th gen hybrid powertrain with the NiMh battery. Smooth as silk with the 2.0 petrol engine. Can we upload photos directly or is it still through a host? Hi Don. Pictures can Be uploaded directly without using hosting. 👍👍 |
|
ravjeff
Club Regular
Posts: 754
Location: New Zealand
Primary Vehicle: RAV4
Model Spec/Trim: GLX
Engine Capacity: 2.5L
Fuel Type: Petrol
Transmission: Automatic
Drive Type: 4WD/AWD
|
Post by ravjeff on Mar 8, 2024 21:50:20 GMT
I already disliked E.V.'s as it was but after seeing this video........
|
|
