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Post by unclebob on May 15, 2022 10:25:13 GMT
Just stumbled across this…historic F1 racing live from Monaco 👍🏻
Got to love the black JPS race car 😎
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Post by firemac on May 15, 2022 11:35:37 GMT
Just stumbled across this…historic F1 racing live from Monaco 👍🏻 Got to love the black JPS race car 😎 And what about those Ferraris with the elevated air intakes? Look like tower blocks on wheels. 😂 |
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Post by unclebob on May 22, 2022 7:59:22 GMT
Looking forward to the Spanish F1 GP today, think Mercedes might have turned a corner with the bouncing 👍🏻
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Post by jasehutch on May 30, 2022 12:12:47 GMT
Well I thought Monaco was boring, what did anyone else think ?
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Post by fireballbob on May 30, 2022 12:31:56 GMT
Well I thought Monaco was boring, what did anyone else think ? I fell asleep watching. |
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Post by Hoovie on May 30, 2022 14:44:50 GMT
Well I thought Monaco was boring, what did anyone else think ? I fell asleep watching. I dozed off as well. I can only recall seeing a single overtaking instance in the whole race? Gasly apparently did a few that were not shown. Brundle going on about "what a race" but whilst the tactics had some interest, the actual "racing" was processional. |
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Post by three5 on May 30, 2022 16:39:57 GMT
With the size of the current cars, I just can't see any good races taking place on street circuits. You don't need your "elbows out" very far to prevent overtaking, e.g. Alonso yesterday. If the trend for bigger cars is to continue, there are a lot of circuits ( not just the street ones ) that are a problem that can only be solved by widening the track.
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Post by Hoovie on Jun 2, 2022 13:02:47 GMT
With the size of the current cars, I just can't see any good races taking place on street circuits. You don't need your "elbows out" very far to prevent overtaking, e.g. Alonso yesterday. If the trend for bigger cars is to continue, there are a lot of circuits ( not just the street ones ) that are a problem that can only be solved by widening the track. Monaco has almost always been boring in terms of actual car racing (a demonstration of car control as loved by Martin Brundle may be interesting but it is not racing) and these current wide and long cars has made it worse. The next race in Baku, another street circuit, will be interesting (in an acedemic way) to see if the same borefest is repeated. |
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Post by unclebob on Jun 2, 2022 16:23:57 GMT
Well I thought Monaco was boring, what did anyone else think ? I would have let them race straight from the start …little bit of rain …what’s up with race control ! The race had potential during the rain but then once it dried out it just became a parade . Monaco’s contract is coming up for renewal, this parade of a race hasn’t helped it looked like a valued circuit 🙄 |
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Post by Hoovie on Jun 10, 2022 19:50:50 GMT
Not all the cars are porpoising though are they ? I think it’s a refreshing change to see different cars up front long may it last . 👍👍👍 As far as I am aware, they are all doing it. My comment was nothing to do with any specific team, but regarding the consequences of a rule change that could have very dire results on some circuits (I am thinking Baku especially). I thought Baku would cause issues .... www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/61763315"Russell, a director of the Grand Prix Drivers' Association, said: "Now the car is running so close to the ground, it's crazy through those high-speed corners.
"The car is fully bottoming out and I think it's the same for everybody and it's really not comfortable to drive. I don't know what the future holds for this era of cars but I can't see us being able to [continue like this]."
"....George Russell said the new rules needed to be re-thought.
"I don't think it's right to run like this for the next four years or whatever we've got," Russell said.
"Conversations are going to be needed because everybody is in the same boat."
This stance from Brawn could come back and bite him .... "F1 managing director Ross Brawn - who was central to the introduction of the new rules, which have changed the way the aerodynamics of the cars work this year with the aim of closing up the field and making overtaking easier - has previously dismissed similar comments by Russell, saying he was only really interested in the thoughts of drivers at the front of the field."
I really think one of the teams is going to end up in a nasty situation when they try to get the jump on their peer teams and end up with bouncing so much one of their cars loses grip and control in a fast corner.
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Post by three5 on Jun 10, 2022 20:08:57 GMT
I think back to some of the innovations that took place in F1 when it was less regulated. It would be much more interesting if there were a minimum of "design" regulations that allowed differing approaches to getting the fastest car. I suspect that a limit on fuel for a race combined with a cost cap on development as the only limits would bring out the innovators in F1. Just remember the likes of Graham Chapman and the younger Frank Williams and what they achieved under less regulation. Maybe I'm just an anarchist at heart  |
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Post by Hoovie on Jun 10, 2022 20:44:22 GMT
I think back to some of the innovations that took place in F1 when it was less regulated. It would be much more interesting if there were a minimum of "design" regulations that allowed differing approaches to getting the fastest car. I suspect that a limit on fuel for a race combined with a cost cap on development as the only limits would bring out the innovators in F1. Just remember the likes of Graham Chapman and the younger Frank Williams and what they achieved under less regulation. Maybe I'm just an anarchist at heart Was it Colin Chapman who innovated with those massive very tall rear wings which had a tendency to fly off and nearly killed a few drivers? Innovation is good, but there needs to be some oversight as well. I cannot deny I find it remarkable and rather sad that the IOM TT races continue as they do when each year multiple competitors die. Is that really a price worth paying in the name of sport? |
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Post by three5 on Jun 11, 2022 6:09:07 GMT
I think back to some of the innovations that took place in F1 when it was less regulated. It would be much more interesting if there were a minimum of "design" regulations that allowed differing approaches to getting the fastest car. I suspect that a limit on fuel for a race combined with a cost cap on development as the only limits would bring out the innovators in F1. Just remember the likes of Graham Chapman and the younger Frank Williams and what they achieved under less regulation. Maybe I'm just an anarchist at heart  Was it Colin Chapman who innovated with those massive very tall rear wings which had a tendency to fly off and nearly killed a few drivers? Innovation is good, but there needs to be some oversight as well. I cannot deny I find it remarkable and rather sad that the IOM TT races continue as they do when each year multiple competitors die. Is that really a price worth paying in the name of sport? Forgotten about Chapman wings David! So, rule 3 needs to be that no part of the car should be a danger to other drivers when in use. I suddenly have a picture in my mind of wheels with sword blades in the middle for ensuring that you get overtaking clearance  ....now where did I see that before ....... |
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Post by philip42h on Jun 11, 2022 7:24:04 GMT
You've got to have some rules - it's formula racing after all - but introducing rules specifically "aimed at closing up the field and making overtaking easier" seem to me to be contrary to the spirit of F1 racing. If you want a test of driver skills, give every driver an identical car - and you can make that reasonably affordable by making that a stock Yaris. F1 is supposed to be about development of the fastest car within the formula (and sensible safety regulations) - and the fastest car and driver combination should win each race. And if that gets a bit boring with the same car and driver winning race after race it's rather up to the competition to do something about it.
I would like to see more open information sharing to level the playing field between design teams. E.g. before each race teams must provide full design details to F1 so that they can verify that the design is within the rules (they probably do something like this today anyway). 90 day after the race, F1 shares this information with all teams ... that way any team can innovate within the rules and gain an advantage, but other teams have an real opportunity to learn from that innovation and catch up.
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Post by unclebob on Jun 11, 2022 14:08:15 GMT
Just sitting down to the Azerbaijan GP qualifying ….another street Circuit lets hope the cars aren’t too wide for it 🤔
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....now where did I see that before .......