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Post by Rambler on Mar 6, 2021 10:58:36 GMT
Turns out the Eclipse Cross has the old type battery !
I need to check electrolyte level every 4 weeks 😲
Mitsubishi say it's better for the auto stop & go system 🤔
So , I may need some distilled water.
Havn't done this since mk2 escort days.
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Post by davrav on Mar 6, 2021 11:51:17 GMT
I'm surprised at that Rambs. AGM batteries are far more suited to stoppy/starty systems I believe. Maybe SHCM will have a view though.
With regard to stop start systems, I have that on my SLK but I am able, via a wee 'black box' that I have fitted, to switch the system off completely if I so wish. There has been quite a bit of discussion on MB forums with regard to potential early cam chain/sprocket wear as a result of increased stop/start since MB decided to fit single link width cam chains.
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Post by Rambler on Mar 6, 2021 12:29:02 GMT
To be fair, I've turned mine off.
So it doesn't do it, but the battery may need topping up.
It's in the user manual.
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Post by charliefarlie on Mar 6, 2021 17:39:42 GMT
To be fair, I've turned mine off. So it doesn't do it, but the battery may need topping up. It's in the user manual. I doubt you will actually need to top up Jamie. But get a small bottle of distilled just in case 👍 My wee VW has that stop start feature which I like yourself don’t like. But there is a connection on the battery which when pulled off disables the function without illuminating any lights on the dash. If ive been having a bit of a blast round our quiet country roads and the engine is red hot the last thing I want is the engine cutting..... Not so long ago we could buy turbo timers that when the engine was turned off it kept the engine running for a short time before turning it off completed. I know it’s a bit old school but it was always a golden rule that after running a turbo engine it’s good practice to let the engine idle for a couple of minutes. I’ve always warmed and engine up and warmed down..... Praps it’s not so important now but I still do it. |
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Post by three5 on Mar 6, 2021 20:06:56 GMT
To be fair, I've turned mine off. So it doesn't do it, but the battery may need topping up. It's in the user manual. I doubt you will actually need to top up Jamie. But get a small bottle of distilled just in case 👍 My wee VW has that stop start feature which I like yourself don’t like. But there is a connection on the battery which when pulled off disables the function without illuminating any lights on the dash. If ive been having a bit of a blast round our quiet country roads and the engine is red hot the last thing I want is the engine cutting..... Not so long ago we could buy turbo timers that when the engine was turned off it kept the engine running for a short time before turning it off completed. I know it’s a bit old school but it was always a golden rule that after running a turbo engine it’s good practice to let the engine idle for a couple of minutes. I’ve always warmed and engine up and warmed down..... Praps it’s not so important now but I still do it. Snap Charlie! I also was bought up to let a turbo engine run on idle for a couple of minutes before shutting it down - and I still do it as well! It seems as natural as putting my seat belt on. The first turbo engine that I had was an early 2.8 diesel Isuzu Trooper and it was the foreman mechanic at the dealers who told me to do it. |
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Post by Rambler on Mar 6, 2021 22:06:54 GMT
I doubt you will actually need to top up Jamie. But get a small bottle of distilled just in case 👍 My wee VW has that stop start feature which I like yourself don’t like. But there is a connection on the battery which when pulled off disables the function without illuminating any lights on the dash. If ive been having a bit of a blast round our quiet country roads and the engine is red hot the last thing I want is the engine cutting..... Not so long ago we could buy turbo timers that when the engine was turned off it kept the engine running for a short time before turning it off completed. I know it’s a bit old school but it was always a golden rule that after running a turbo engine it’s good practice to let the engine idle for a couple of minutes. I’ve always warmed and engine up and warmed down..... Praps it’s not so important now but I still do it. Snap Charlie! I also was bought up to let a turbo engine run on idle for a couple of minutes before shutting it down - and I still do it as well! It seems as natural as putting my seat belt on. The first turbo engine that I had was an early 2.8 diesel Isuzu Trooper and it was the foreman mechanic at the dealers who told me to do it. Snap x2 guys , perhaps it was you folks telling me about the turbo thing when I had my Rav4. Tbf.. on the Mitsi there's an Eco mode which I turn on 99% of the time , and I keep the revs between 1500 & 2000 so the turbo rarely cuts in. This keeps fuel costs down.. as it's best is 35mpg... ave 32 if I'm lucky. I turn off eco mode if I want power!! Then , go baby go..... then I'll let it cool. |
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Post by sich1 on Mar 7, 2021 9:19:56 GMT
same here, never push an engine until its warmed up.
I say that at work and the kiddies look at me gone out....lol
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Post by charliefarlie on Mar 7, 2021 10:07:12 GMT
There was a very heated debate on the VW forum about these start stop devices..... When I pointed out I have disconnected mine one of the Eco warrior brigade went nuts... So I told him why ..He then stated that turbos these days have ceramic bearings so heat sink is not a factor. I doubt that but I’m never going to use that function anyway as I find it very annoying. Plus the wear on the starter motor must be a lot especially for those who live in towns....
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Post by shcm on Mar 7, 2021 11:00:02 GMT
I would hope the starter motor has been engineered (or at least tested/validated) to deal with it. After all, the usage pattern would probably be similar to that a conventional delivery van might see.
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Post by unclebob on Mar 7, 2021 11:21:09 GMT
Our Renault and Peugeot wheelchair vans have stop/start on them, both have an easy to reach switch on the dashboard to turn the system off . There are a few uphill junctions on the collage run that I pull out of into a busy flow of traffic, I want to be 100% sure I can get out into traffic and upto speed quickly. Stop/start does have a hesitation even of very small .
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Post by sich1 on Mar 7, 2021 11:40:50 GMT
There was a very heated debate on the VW forum about these start stop devices..... When I pointed out I have disconnected mine one of the Eco warrior brigade went nuts... So I told him why ..He then stated that turbos these days have ceramic bearings so heat sink is not a factor. I doubt that but I’m never going to use that function anyway as I find it very annoying. Plus the wear on the starter motor must be a lot especially for those who live in towns.... same, its the first button i press when i take the wifes polo out, disable bloody stop/start. dont like being left at the lights waiting for the bloody engine to start, i want it there and ready. |
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Post by charliefarlie on Mar 7, 2021 17:43:12 GMT
I would hope the starter motor has been engineered (or at least tested/validated) to deal with it. After all, the usage pattern would probably be similar to that a conventional delivery van might see. One of the guys on the VW forum compared the part numbers for the starters for two identical cars one with start stop the other slightly older without. The numbers were the same. I would have thought a heavier duty one would be fitted but maybe not. |
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Post by clarki on Mar 7, 2021 19:43:34 GMT
Yeah, was always brought up letting turbo engines warm and cool properly. Had a mitsi evo once which would not actually let you have boost until it was properly up to temp. We're NA in this house now, only the evoque has a turbo, so don't really think about it these days. Don't have any issue with stop/start tbh. It does what it does. Not in that much of a hurry anymore these days anyway. Becoming a proper Mid Life Motor(ist)  |
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Post by Mb2t on Mar 7, 2021 19:53:19 GMT
I have asked Toyota about the stop/start after I had one of the courtesy Yaris with this function, and he said that the starter motor is 'advised' to be replaced after 60k miles. I personally do not like this function (i.e. hate it...)
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Post by unclebob on Mar 8, 2021 8:23:50 GMT
What i can tell you from experience with our vans, if you only use the vehicle a few times a week the stop/start function will not work . The system needs a fully topped up battery to operative, not had the Peugeot work for more that two years .
Did charge the battery during lockdown before Christmas and run it around the block ...it worked then, then a week or so later back to not working again.
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