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Post by clarki on Sept 6, 2020 20:19:38 GMT
Great for Gasley - he deserved that. Tough couple of years for him, fair play.
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Post by phaeton on Sept 13, 2020 20:28:41 GMT
Never seen a mid race restart before !
Or two
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Post by Hoovie on Sept 14, 2020 9:24:11 GMT
I think the race yesterday shows Bottas really is the #2 through ability, not contract.
seemed being 2nd off the line rather than Pole might have been better, and on the start, Bottas got ahead.
Lewis learned from that and on the restart got ahead - why didn't Bottas prepare against that as he knew it was likely?
On the 2nd Restart, Lewis knew what to expect and made sure it didn't happen - Bottas didn't learn again.
I am totally convinced that right now there are only two drivers who can be relied on to deliver time after time (if their machinery allows it!) - Hamiliton and Verstappen. The others are on a lower plane IMO. Leclerc might be good I guess - but hard to tell with the donkey he has to drive.
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Post by three5 on Sept 14, 2020 10:20:38 GMT
I think the race yesterday shows Bottas really is the #2 through ability, not contract. seemed being 2nd off the line rather than Pole might have been better, and on the start, Bottas got ahead. Lewis learned from that and on the restart got ahead - why didn't Bottas prepare against that as he knew it was likely? On the 2nd Restart, Lewis knew what to expect and made sure it didn't happen - Bottas didn't learn again. I am totally convinced that right now there are only two drivers who can be relied on to deliver time after time (if their machinery allows it!) - Hamiliton and Verstappen. The others are on a lower plane IMO. Leclerc might be good I guess - but hard to tell with the donkey he has to drive. Hoovie, I can see your reasoning with regards to the Hamilton / Bottas situation but also think there is another level from which the situation could be viewed and that is the team and the success of Mercedes. Remembering that each race can only have one winner ( sorry - Granny and eggs again! ) and the best possible value that Mercedes can derive from their participation in F1 is if they get winner and second in each race ( the Constructors Championship as well as the Drivers Championship ). Bottas and Hamilton can't both come first and it is crucial to team that any rivalry between them, i.e. fighting for first place, dosen't put team success in jepoardy. I suspect that Toto et al recognise this and regard Bottas's role as stepping up if something goes wrong for Hamilton - sort of damage limitation, otherwise his job is to look after his own car and make sure that they get the 1 - 2 finish in as many races as possible. I'll be interested to see what happens if we get to the last two races and Hamilton is, say, 60 points clear. Will he give Bottas the same support that Bottas is giving him in the last two races? Mercedes need to avoid the sort of relationship between Hamilton & Bottas that developed betweem Hamilton and his previous "partner".
BTW, the guy who got my sympathy yesterday was George Russell who should have finished in the points despite his car. But that's F1!
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Post by unclebob on Sept 14, 2020 10:45:26 GMT
The accidents and safety car didn't help George ..he was upto 9th at one point and would have been great for him with the new team bosses there .
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Post by Hoovie on Sept 14, 2020 11:34:19 GMT
I think the race yesterday shows Bottas really is the #2 through ability, not contract. seemed being 2nd off the line rather than Pole might have been better, and on the start, Bottas got ahead. Lewis learned from that and on the restart got ahead - why didn't Bottas prepare against that as he knew it was likely? On the 2nd Restart, Lewis knew what to expect and made sure it didn't happen - Bottas didn't learn again. I am totally convinced that right now there are only two drivers who can be relied on to deliver time after time (if their machinery allows it!) - Hamiliton and Verstappen. The others are on a lower plane IMO. Leclerc might be good I guess - but hard to tell with the donkey he has to drive.
Hoovie, I can see your reasoning with regards to the Hamilton / Bottas situation but also think there is another level from which the situation could be viewed and that is the team and the success of Mercedes. Remembering that each race can only have one winner ( sorry - Granny and eggs again! ) and the best possible value that Mercedes can derive from their participation in F1 is if they get winner and second in each race ( the Constructors Championship as well as the Drivers Championship ). Bottas and Hamilton can't both come first and it is crucial to team that any rivalry between them, i.e. fighting for first place, dosen't put team success in jepoardy. I suspect that Toto et al recognise this and regard Bottas's role as stepping up if something goes wrong for Hamilton - sort of damage limitation, otherwise his job is to look after his own car and make sure that they get the 1 - 2 finish in as many races as possible. I'll be interested to see what happens if we get to the last two races and Hamilton is, say, 60 points clear. Will he give Bottas the same support that Bottas is giving him in the last two races? Mercedes need to avoid the sort of relationship between Hamilton & Bottas that developed betweem Hamilton and his previous "partner".
BTW, the guy who got my sympathy yesterday was George Russell who should have finished in the points despite his car. But that's F1!
I think if it came down to the wire, Lewis would get the preferential treatment (say in a situation where an important upgrade part was only available to one driver on a race weekend) but I really have seen no real evidence of either driver being given priority. Definately not like the Ferrari days where Michael Schumacher absolutely had that. Bottas may disagree with that of course, especially with this "put me on different tyres to Lewis" request and ends up the same - but that was him pitting first so lost the ability to make that call. If he pitted afterwards, he may well have got his request. (I don't see any 'support' driving to the other from either one - respect and fair play for sure, but no more than you would expect from teammates who aren't named something like "Senna") I really do like the two new British drivers - George and Lando. Think they are great guys and decent drivers as well. George Russell is totally limited by his car so fingers crossed either that improves or he gets a chance with another better car. |
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Post by jasehutch on Sept 14, 2020 12:18:56 GMT
Yes I was rooting for George to score at least one point.
Talking of Bottas , his missus didn't look very happy after the race.
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Post by three5 on Sept 14, 2020 12:38:39 GMT
Hoovie, I can see your reasoning with regards to the Hamilton / Bottas situation but also think there is another level from which the situation could be viewed and that is the team and the success of Mercedes. Remembering that each race can only have one winner ( sorry - Granny and eggs again! ) and the best possible value that Mercedes can derive from their participation in F1 is if they get winner and second in each race ( the Constructors Championship as well as the Drivers Championship ). Bottas and Hamilton can't both come first and it is crucial to team that any rivalry between them, i.e. fighting for first place, dosen't put team success in jepoardy. I suspect that Toto et al recognise this and regard Bottas's role as stepping up if something goes wrong for Hamilton - sort of damage limitation, otherwise his job is to look after his own car and make sure that they get the 1 - 2 finish in as many races as possible. I'll be interested to see what happens if we get to the last two races and Hamilton is, say, 60 points clear. Will he give Bottas the same support that Bottas is giving him in the last two races? Mercedes need to avoid the sort of relationship between Hamilton & Bottas that developed betweem Hamilton and his previous "partner".
BTW, the guy who got my sympathy yesterday was George Russell who should have finished in the points despite his car. But that's F1!
I think if it came down to the wire, Lewis would get the preferential treatment (say in a situation where an important upgrade part was only available to one driver on a race weekend) but I really have seen no real evidence of either driver being given priority. Definately not like the Ferrari days where Michael Schumacher absolutely had that. Bottas may disagree with that of course, especially with this "put me on different tyres to Lewis" request and ends up the same - but that was him pitting first so lost the ability to make that call. If he pitted afterwards, he may well have got his request. (I don't see any 'support' driving to the other from either one - respect and fair play for sure, but no more than you would expect from teammates who aren't named something like "Senna") I really do like the two new British drivers - George and Lando. Think they are great guys and decent drivers as well. George Russell is totally limited by his car so fingers crossed either that improves or he gets a chance with another better car. I fully agree that Bottas gets the same treatment as Lewis from Mercedes, I just have a suspicion that there is an "understanding" between Bottas, Hamilton and Toto that the team objectives are paramount and must not be risked.
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Post by Hoovie on Sept 14, 2020 13:20:32 GMT
I would agree that Mercedes see the Team as the Priority  and both drivers are Team Players as well (unlike drivers like Senna in the past and Alonso in more recent times) |
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Post by clarki on Sept 14, 2020 20:38:22 GMT
Can't wait to see Russell in a competitive car.
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Post by widge on Nov 15, 2020 9:20:00 GMT
Nice mixed up grid, might be an interesting race later.
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Post by jasehutch on Nov 15, 2020 9:31:50 GMT
Nice mixed up grid, might be an interesting race later. Wet too..😊 |
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Post by widge on Nov 15, 2020 9:37:12 GMT
Nice mixed up grid, might be an interesting race later. Wet too..😊 I am not sure, if they have to resort to inters or wets, it might counteract the problems Mercedes are having with the slippery track. |
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Post by philip42h on Nov 15, 2020 10:00:37 GMT
It should be interesting - especially if wet. The pink Mercedes seems to be working on this track while the black Mercedes doesn't. But I rather doubt that Lewis will be generating the excitement - I suspect that he'll be focused on finishing, preferably ahead of Valtteri, to secure the driver's title rather than necessarily on another race win or podium.
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Post by Hoovie on Nov 15, 2020 12:19:13 GMT
{CLICK HERE FOR SPOILER} It should be interesting - especially if wet. The pink Mercedes seems to be working on this track while the black Mercedes doesn't. But I rather doubt that Lewis will be generating the excitement - I suspect that he'll be focused on finishing, preferably ahead of Valtteri, to secure the driver's title rather than necessarily on another race win or podium. I would have thought the same very unpredictable! |
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and both drivers are Team Players as well (unlike drivers like Senna in the past and Alonso in more recent times)
