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Post by three5 on Nov 13, 2018 10:43:29 GMT
Just been reading Christian Horners "defence" of MV on the BBC website and it set me thinking about the rules/conventions surrounding overtaking in F1
As I understand it, if a driver is being lapped he is supposed not to unduly impede the overtaking driver - which seems fair enough. Once race leaders lap slower cars it appears that there are then two races going on at once with the faster cars getting preferencial treatment. So what happens if a fast driver has a bad pit stop and looses a complete lap ( particularly on one of the shorther circuits )? surely they have the right to fight for the race again when they rejoin the circuit?
If this is the case logic says a driver "unlapping" himself deserves the same treatment as one doing the lapping?
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Post by philip42h on Nov 13, 2018 11:30:25 GMT
I feel that Christian Horner is just plain wrong in this case - as were the commentators and the stewards at the time. True MV was the race leader - he had already lapped EO. However, at that point in the race EO was in the faster car being on fresher and better tyres than MV at that time. He is allowed by the rules to un-lap himself and get on with his race so at that point is quite legitimately racing MV for position on the track. As I saw it, EO passed MV by the end of the straight and MV tried to come back at him on the next set of bends, didn't leave EO enough room and is mostly to blame for causing the incident. It was his own stupid fault and I suspect that he knows it really ... What he should have done was let EO go and follow him round for a few laps until the tyre advantage wore off. Then, once MV again had the faster car, he would also have had blue flags in his favour and EO would have had to make room and let him through again, uncontested - assuming that occurred before MV won the race anyway. I think that is what LH was trying, kindly, to tell him, but MV will be MV. We could always get rid of the second, inconvenient, race by requiring that lapped cars retire when they next reach the pit lane ... we could call it Max's rule ...  |
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Post by three5 on Nov 13, 2018 12:08:18 GMT
I feel that Christian Horner is just plain wrong in this case - as were the commentators and the stewards at the time. True MV was the race leader - he had already lapped EO. However, at that point in the race EO was in the faster car being on fresher and better tyres than MV at that time. He is allowed by the rules to un-lap himself and get on with his race so at that point is quite legitimately racing MV for position on the track. As I saw it, EO passed MV by the end of the straight and MV tried to come back at him on the next set of bends, didn't leave EO enough room and is mostly to blame for causing the incident. It was his own stupid fault and I suspect that he knows it really ... What he should have done was let EO go and follow him round for a few laps until the tyre advantage wore off. Then, once MV again had the faster car, he would also have had blue flags in his favour and EO would have had to make room and let him through again, uncontested - assuming that occurred before MV won the race anyway. I think that is what LH was trying, kindly, to tell him, but MV will be MV. We could always get rid of the second, inconvenient, race by requiring that lapped cars retire when they next reach the pit lane ... we could call it Max's rule ...  Exactly the same thought occurred to me - but I didn't have the guts to say so, so thanks Philip :TU: |
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Post by phaeton on Nov 13, 2018 15:39:22 GMT
Exactly the same thought occurred to me - but I didn't have the guts to say so, so thanks Philip :TU:
May I ask why?
Just read Palmers view, he's coming across as a more entitled dick than when he failed to perform in the drivers seat.
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Post by three5 on Nov 13, 2018 15:56:09 GMT
Exactly the same thought occurred to me - but I didn't have the guts to say so, so thanks Philip 
May I ask why?
Just read Palmers view, he's coming across as a more entitled dick than when he failed to perform in the drivers seat.
There is definitely a cold logic to lapped cars retiring, but the chances of it becoming a rule ( my reason for not suggesting it ) are not very high IMHO. The senario of one of the "top" teams being excluded as a result of a bungled pit stop would not be attractive to the likes of Mercedes, Ferrari or Red Bull. When you look at some of the results we've had this year you would be lucky to have enough finishers to take all the points home. |
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